your views on prong collars? decribed as more humane than choke chains but generally frowned upon.?

Answer 1

A pinch collar is fine if used properly. You should not use a pinch like you do a choke collar. I use chokes on all of the dogs that I am working in obedience. A choke can be bad if not used properly, the wrong size, ect... My East German boy works alright on a choke, but occasionally I will put a pinch on him. When you use a pinch, do not snap it like a choke on the dog. The dog gets corrected by pulling. Pinch collars are not allowed at an AKC sanctioned event. You will get kicked off the show grounds if you have a pinch on your dog. I would suggest to consult a local trainer with experience with pinches. Haltis and Gentle leaders are fine to work a dog with, but you can not use these for training in obedience. Try getting a 4 foot leather lead as well. I use 6 footers for training, but you might get better control with a shorter lead. Look in your area for an obedience club. It is better to train at an obedience club than going to a pet store that offers classes in a very small area. Most of the people that train at pet stores have never in their life titled a dog in obedience. The obedience clubs have trainers that have titled dogs in AKC obedience and people training just regular dog, LOL and people training for AKC obedience. If used properly pinch collars and chokes are a great tool in obedience training.
In my guarantee I have listed a few vets and obedience trainers that I will void my guarantee if they are taken to those certain people.
rockythecoolcat states that there are 2 ways to put a choke on a dog. This person is telling you wrong. There is only 1 way to put a choke on a dog! Look here, it is explained the best way.
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=0&articleid=1117

Answer 2

I don't see why they are frowned upon? They are a valid method of training. It is used to simulate the biting on the neck that the alpha dog would do to the submissive trainee. Choke chains do not do this because there is no "biting" effect, and it is hard on the dog's neck. With the pinch collar, there is one quick tug and no constant pulling to strain the dog's neck. This is also a preventative measure, as collars and leashes can put a strain on your dog's neck over time as well, and teaching your dog to heal up to you using the pinch collar will prevent strain on the neck.
I use it with my dog as a way to train him to be obedient because he is a pitbull and it is imparitave that he listens to me and is obediant. It may not be nescessary with some dogs that do not need to be so seriously trained.

Answer 3

Barbaric and awful, if that is the sort of thing people need to train their dogs they should not own one (many countries has banned the sale and use of prong collars they are classified as cruelty to animals), also against choke chains as this gives dogs whiplash when pulled hard. (and I have seen people pull so hard their dog goes flying)

Then the dog has a sore neck and could display agressive behaviour when touched.

Positive training methods and the use of a harness if the dog is difficult to handle in the initial stages of training, will ensure you ger a well behaved dog no matter what you want to use them for workign dog or pet.

Answer 4

prong collars are illegal in some states and if a dog is brought to an animal shelter with one on the owner may be prosecuted !! as far as choke collars the important thing with them is which way the are put on the dog..there are only two ways..... you can figure out which is the proper way by putting it around your forearm and pull it tight .... if you release the pressure and the chain goes slack you've got it right, if it stays tight , (not right) try this and then imagine it around your neck !!!!!!!

Answer 5

I think they are a useful training aid for the really hard headed dog..Most dogs don't need them for more than a few outings..dogs learn new tasks in about 14 repetitions.

Most dogs don't need them at all, but for the really hard to handle scamp, it is safer than a choke chain, as a dog won't pull against it enough to hurt himself..I sure can't say that about a choke chain..

I much prefer to try the Gentle Leader first...as they really do work..However, they encourage the wrong head carriage for a show dog..
It should not be used on all dogs, though..In all my years of breeding, rescuing and training, I have only had 2 that actually needed it..

Answer 6

I'm getting ready to try a Gentle Leader, but if he breaks that too, then the prong collar is my last resort... I won't go to choke chains, because my husbands neighbor had one on his dog and he pulled too hard and crushed his larynx... I am told the prong is no worse than a mothers teeth ricking up their pup...

Answer 7

they are called 'pinch' collars and are designs to pich folds of neck skin as the collar tightened. Like choke chains they are a medieval form of dog control used by lazy owners who cannot be bothered to train their dog properly. I have several very large dogs and am only a little middle aged woman.I use something called a 'lupi' harness on my big dogs. This is a marvellous thing and offered good control in a kind manner. Useful for dogs who hate the halti and for short faced breeds like boxers and the like who could not wear a halti. At one point I could hold a giant schnauzer, a large greyhound and a German shepherd dog with all 3 leads on one finger if they were all wearing the Lupi harness and have them all under perfect control.
I regard people who have to use brute force and ignorance and inflict pain on their dogs to get them to behave and intellectually lower in intelligence than their dog. I mean, it isn't rocket science to get your dog to walk nicely is it? Either with training or with the help of humane things like the lupi or the halti.
What does it say about the owner who goes into a pet shop, looks at the range on display, sees a choke chain, a pinch collar, a lupi or a halti and deliberately chooses something to either choke or pinch their dog?

Answer 8

Frown on prong collars. Get a harness. Much more humane, and you will have much more control over you dog.

Answer 9

You should note that the it's bleeding-heart cry-babies ,WITH ****NO*** experience!-are all "ewwwww!

Easy to have an IMAGINATION,isn't it? Much more difficult to USE a brain!
With ALL training,start as easy as youcan,go as HARD as you have to!
Prong collars a GREAT *TOOL*, when fitted & USED *CORRECTLY*!!!Weeks of "cootchie-coo" nagging CRAP or 10 minutes of "HEY dog,*NOW*!" *&* actually get a RESULT?? THAT takes thinking about,eh?

The MAOON who suggested trying it on yourself ,needs to TRY IT ON HIM/HERSELF!!! It DOES***NOT*** hurt ,ya big baby! You been "disney-fied"?
NOR should you listen the pin-head that suggested a HARNESS!!! **NEVER** use any harness on ANY dog that isn't TRACKING OR pulling a sled!! Harnesses ONLY ***TEACH*** a dog to PULL & offer *NO* control!

Answer 10

i use a choke chain for my rottie as he is very large and boisterous, and when i walk him people don't want a very large dog bounding towards them for fuss it scares them half to death, it helps keep him under control at all times.
i must say ive never used a prong collar