(Muslims) How can the following be disputed as peaceful?

Question

O ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers .... and let them find harshness in you. [Koran, Repentance: 123]

Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. [Koran, Repentance: 29]

O believers, do not treat your fathers and brothers as your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes them for friends, they are evil-doers. [Koran, Repentance: 20]

Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends.... whoso does that belongs not to God. [Koran, The House of Imram: 60]

The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished. [Muslim religious edict, 1993 Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz Supreme religious authority, Saudi Arabia]

If someone becomes a Muslim then apostatizes, he would be asked to repent; if he does not repent, he should be killed. [Imam al-Shafi'i, The Ordinances of the Qur'an (part 1, p. 289)]

If you are going to cut and paste ****Please just leave a link instead of tons of text as an answer*****

Mr. Mister,

I would be happy to read the text you have pasted. The thing is that it looks horrible when formatted by Yahoo. Most people will read from links, but when it is pasted it is usually skipped over. Please just place a link instead of pasting it all.

askgarrie,

I agree. The Christians have some crazy verses too. I don't think they are as peaceful as they claim to be either.

asafaah,

You have assumed to much. I am an Atheist. Your words do little to assist with the peacefulness of Islam.

Answer 1

Islam Is Not a Religion of Peace

Dave Hunt, The Berean Call
That Islam is "peace and tolerance" is the most popular lie in the world today. Intellectuals in the West who defame Christ parrot the most fatuous praise of Muham--mad, in spite of his legacy of murder, pillage and rape. A Sesame Street-type Arabic TV program features children training to be suicide bombers and chanting "Death to Israel" -- for peace, of course. Reporter Ann Coulter suggests, "Inasmuch as liberals are demanding that Americans ritualistically proclaim, Islam is a religion of peace, Muslims might do their part by not killing people all the time." 1
That our leaders promote this lie, and that so many believe it without one fact to support it, bodes ill for America and the world. We only ask Muslims for one example of where and when Islam ever brought peace and tolerance -- and please dont threaten us with death (the standard Islamic persuasion) for asking!
Never forget that Muslims slaughtered and conquered "for Allah" from Spain to China. These Arab conquests (defensive battles, they claim) were "more rapid than the Roman, more lasting than the Mongol...the most amazing feat in military history." 2
Islams founder, Muhammad, began his career attacking rich caravans passing near his base in Medina. The first three assaults failed. The fourth succeeded because the victims were surprised by an ambush during Ramadan. Arab tribes had long refrained from aggression in that "holy month." Muhammad, however, had received a "revelation" authorizing plunder and murder in Allahs name during this special time of peace (Surah 2:217). Another absolved the Muslims of killing: "Ye slew them not, but Allah slew them" (Surah 8:17).
Most Muslims dont realize that in observing Ramadan and the annual pilgrimage (hajj) to Mecca, they follow what pagan Arabs practiced for centuries before Muhammad was born (see TBC Feb 00). Had President Bush known the truth instead of the misinformation fed to him by Cleveland State University law professor David F. Forte, 3 he might not have hosted a White House dinner honoring "the holy month Ramadan," nor flattered Muslims saying "all the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements." Benefit?
Challenged to do miracles like Christ, Muhammad could do none. On March 16, 624, near Badr, he led 300 warriors in a vicious attack against a large Meccan caravan protected by a force of 800. Some 40 Meccans were killed and 60 taken prisoner to a loss of only 14 Muslims. This amazing victory was seen as the attesting miracle Muhammad needed. As a result, the ranks of Muslims swelled with those eager to share in future plunder.
Having proved himself the prophet of Allah with the sword, Muhammad sealed his apostleship with more than twenty murders, beginning with al-Nadr, an old enemy from Mecca. Taken captive in the battle at Badr, he pleaded that the Meccan Quraish tribe would never kill captives. Muhammad had him beheaded anyway, justifying the deed with another "revelation": "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land" (Surah 8:67).
Much of the growing Muslim wealth came from robbing and killing Jews, causing "the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper"4 -- justified by a further "revelation" (Surah 33:26,27). To this day, by law no Jew may set foot in Saudi Arabia.
A number of poets were murdered at Muhammads behest for having mocked him in verse. The first was the poetess Asma bint Marwan, stabbed to death by Umayr while she was nursing her youngest child. The poet Abu Afak (reportedly more than 100 years old) was murdered next. Then came the Jewish poet Kab bin al-Ashraf. A timely "revelation" said all poets were inspired of Satan (Surah 26:221-227).
Does it bother todays Muslims that murder, rape, plunder and slavery of innocent people were the accepted way of life upon which Islam was founded and still operates? Apparently not. Kabs murder (the account slanted with fictitious details) is justified on a popular Muslim website, revealing Islams peculiar meaning of "peace" and "justice":
Kab had become a real danger to the state of peace and mutual trust which the Prophet was struggling to achieve in Madinah....The Prophet was quite exasperated with him....This was all part of the great process...which helped to make Islam spread and establish it on foundations of justice and piety. 5 [Emphasis added]
Christ left Christians "an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not...[but] bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness..." (1 Pt 2:21-24). But the Muslim must follow the example of Muhammad who killed all who dared to disagree with him!
A Christian must "know" God (Jer 9:24; Jn 17:3), "love" God with all his heart (Dt 6:5; Mt 22:37, etc.) and "believe" in Christ in his heart (Acts 8:37; Rom 10:9). The God of the Bible wants mans trust and affection without coercion.
In contrast, Allah can be neither known nor loved. Nor does one even have to believe to become a Muslim. Under threat of death, one merely recites aloud, "There is no ila (god) but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet." This "conversion without faith" was established when Abu Sufyan, a Quraish leader, upon surrendering Mecca in 630 to Muhammad and his superior army, admitted that he doubted the latters prophethood. He was warned, "Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before your neck is cut off by the sword. Thus [without believing] he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim." 6 This pattern is followed today: confess or die!
Upon Muhammads death in A.D. 632, many Arabs attempted to abandon Islam. Abu Bakr (the first caliph to succeed Muham-mad) and his warriors in the infamous Wars of Apostasy killed tens of thousands of ex-Muslims, forcing Arabia back into Islam. Muhammad had commanded, "Whoever relinquishes his faith, kill him." Islam is still enforced this way under sharia (Islamic law) in Saudi Arabia and wherever Muslims are able to do so. This is peace and tolerance?!
The Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights was announced at the International Conference on the Prophet Muhammad and his Message held in London in April 1980. It declares, "Islam gave to mankind an ideal code of human rights fourteen centuries ago...based on the Quran and the Sunnah [teachings and practice of Muhammad]...." Human rights? What deceit!
Abu Bakr was succeeded as caliph by Umar Abu Hafsa. His armies took Damascus in 635, Antioch in 636, Jerusalem in 638, Syria in 640, Egypt and Persia in 641. Entire cities were massacred, such as Behnesa, Fayum, Nikiu and Aboit in Egypt, Tripoli in North Africa and Euchaita in Armenia. Carthage was razed to the ground. In 644, Umar was murdered.
Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph, consolidated and expanded the growing Islamic empire. A son-in-law of Muhammad, he standardized the Quran, burning all rival copies over protests of those still alive who remembered different readings and missing verses. Among these was Muhammads favorite wife Aisha who, by the way, never veiled her face. Uthman, too, was murdered by a rival Muslim faction. Prevented from being buried in a Muslim cemetery, he was buried at night by friends, ironically, in a Jewish cemetery.
Islam divides the world into dar al-Islam (the house of peace) and dar al-Harb (the house of war). To bring "peace," Allah commands, "I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads! (8:13); Slay the idolaters wherever you find them...(9:5); O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites and be thou harsh with them...(9:73); Believers, make war on the infidels that dwell around you..." (9:123). Perpetual jihad is commanded until all the world is under sharia. Nor would that bring peace, because Muslims fight among themselves, as history testifies.
The fourth and last of the "rightly guided" caliphs was Ali, Muhammads cousin and son-in-law. Accused of complicity in Uthmans murder, he never fully established his rule. Aisha supported a rebellion against him, resulting in the Battle of the Camel in which 10,000 were killed. Ali won, but was murdered in 661.
Wars of succession pitted Quraish against Bedouins, Umayyads against the Hashimite followers of Ali, etc. Most of Alis family were killed by rival Muslims in 680. Mecca was besieged by troops of Yezid, an Umayyad; the Kaaba (later restored) was burned to the ground, its Black Stone split into three pieces. Mecca was taken in 692 by Abd-al-Malik (who in 691 had built the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to replace the Kaaba). He united Muslims once again by force and Islam continued its conquests.
In 712, Muslim raiders under Muhammad Qasun began the invasion of India, demolishing temples and palaces and massacring, as in Constantinople, where the streets ran with blood. "The massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger in sheer numbers than the Holocaust...."7 But Islam is "peace!"
The Umayyad caliphate ruled the Muslim world until 749 when all of the Umayyads were murdered by the rival Abbasids, except one survivor, abd-al-Rahman, who fled to Spain where he established an independent caliphate. Thus began the Abbasid caliphate, which lasted until 1258 in spite of intrigue, assassinations and uprisings -- all peaceful, of course.
The double-cross and murder of Muslims at the hands of Muslims continues to this day. Scarcely a Muslim regime is not ruled by a dictator who seized power from other Muslims, as in Syria and Iraq. The ten-year revolution in Algeria has cost 100,000 lives. In Afghanistan, rival Muslim warlords fight one another. "Infidels" have to intervene there as in the Gulf, to enforce peace among "peaceful" Muslims.
Muslims loyal to the murdered Ali and his sons are called Shiites (the majority in Iran). The others are called Sunnis and comprise the majority elsewhere. These two factions have long demonstrated that "Islam is peace" by fighting one another, as in the eight-year war between Iran and Iraq when more people were killed than in World War I.
Muslim conquests involving multiple massacres of literally millions continued for more than 1,300 years. Under the Abbasids the Islamic empire reached its zenith of power, prosperity and learning.
In Spain (to which Muslims point as an example of their tolerance) the garrison of Muez was slaughtered in 920; Pamplona was put to the sword in 923; then Cordova, Zaragoza and Mereda, with all adult males killed and women and children enslaved. The Jews of Granada were butchered in 1066, 34 years after 6,000 Jews had been slaughtered in Fez, Morocco. In 1146, Islamic Fez was put to the sword by rival Muslims, the Almohads, who conquered much of North Africa after annihilating the Almoravides (another Muslim faction) with about 100,000 massacred, another 120,000 killed in Marrakesh, and similar slaughters elsewhere -- all gestures of "peace."
The 400-year rule of the Ottoman Turks saw forced kidnappings of young boys into Islam and slavery, causing parents to mutilate children to make them undesirable. Under the Ottomans, being Greek, Armenian, Serb or any other non-Muslim was to live in daily fear of murder, rape, torture, genocide. To this day, Serbs and Bulgarians loathe Turks and Bosnians.
When Sultan Murad III died, his son Muhammad had all nineteen of his brothers murdered and the seven of his fathers concubines who were pregnant sewn into sacks and thrown into the sea. The successor of Murad IV had all 300 women in his harem sewn into sacks and thrown into the Bosphorus. Like so many other Muslim leaders, he was murdered- -- peacefully.
The persecution of Jews in Roman Catholic Europe was mild compared to what Ottoman Christians endured for four centuries. More than a million Armenians were slaughtered in the last decades of the nineteenth and the first of the twentieth centuries, as well as many thousands of Jews, Greeks, Assyrians, Lebanese, et al. Tragically, the oppression and bloodshed were often condoned by Western powers, particularly England and at times America. In the great 1915 genocide, "women came with butcher knives [to] gain that merit in Allahs eyes that comes from killing a Christian." 8 The destruction of Smyrna in September 1922 with the deliberate massacre of nearly 300,000 inhabitants is another example of Islamic "peace." English, American, Italian and French battleships anchored in the harbor repelled fleeing victims who swam out to them for help.9
The popular "explanation" that Osama bin Laden and other terrorists are not Muslims, but fanatics, is a rebuke to the Quran, to Muhammad, and to Islam itself. As Trifkovic writes (p. 127), "Thirteen centuries of...suffering and death of countless millions, have been covered by the myth of Islamic tolerance...." The West winks at the blatant denial of basic human rights and support of terrorism by Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries -- even favors Islamic terrorists in Chechnya, Cyprus, Bosnia, Kashmir, Kosovo, Macedonia, Sudan and East Timor.
Our politically correct delusion is leading to disaster. Tragically, the gospel is kept from Islamic countries by the failure of Western governments to admit and confront the truth about Islam. Please continue to inform yourselves, to protest to our leaders, to pray for Gods intervention, and to be witnesses for Christ to Muslims in our country. TBC

1 www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter.html

2 Will Durant, The Story of Civilization (Simon and Schuster, 1950), IV: 188.

3 Imprimis (Oct 2002), 2-6; Serge Trifkovic, The Sword of the Prophet: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (Regina Orthodox Press, 2002), 83-84 (See offering list).

4 W.N. Arafat, Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, 1976, 100-107.

5 www.islam101.com/people/companions/maslamah.html

6 Cf. Ibn Hisham, part 4 of his Biography of the Prophet, cited in Trifkovic, Sword, 48.

7 Trifkovic, Sword, 112.

8 Michael J. Arlen, Passage to Ararat (Ruminator Books, 2002), 224.

9 Nicholas Gage, Greek Fire (Alfred A. Knopf, 2000), cited in Trifkovic, 125.

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Answer 2

There are disputes over the the books of Imams so I would not answer that. However, I can answr about the Quranic verses.

I don't have any link. I have the Quran in my lap N I would like to point out something to u.

IF U have read ther chapter repentance, u'll see that it tells about a peace treaty which was made between the Muslims and the Non-Muslims of Mecca (at that time). The non-muslims violated this treaty and attacked Muslims in the dead of the night (proven by historical facts. again no links...sorry. but pls read some decent books.)

Now then, read these verses, from the SAME chapter.

REpentance, verse 4. Except those of the non-muslims with whom u have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against u. So fulfil their treaty to them for the end of their term. Surely Allah loves the pious people.

This verse CLEARLY tells that war should only be made on those who havae made war on u. U shouldn't war on those who haven't harmed u.

Repentance: 6 And if anyone of the non-Muslims seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah nd then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not (knowledge of Islam).

Allah tells the muslims not only to free his enemy but to take him to the place of safety. Which army general in today's time will tell his soldiers that 'don't even let the enemy soldier go free. Escort them to a place of safety'.

Critics also say that verse Repentance:6 means that the Muslims are compelling non-Muslims to become Muslims. The answer is given in the following verse

The Cow:256 There is no cmpulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path hasbecome distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in False Gods and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All knower.


About the earth being flat:

"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)."
[Al-Qur’an 71:19]
But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says:
"That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads."
[Al-Qur’an 71:20]
A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:
"He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)...."
[Al-Qur’an 20:53]
The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.

Not a single verse of the Qur’an says that the earth is flat. The Qur’an only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.
Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Qur’an describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Qur’an is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.
Similarly, the Qur’an says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.
"And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!"
[Al-Qur’an 51:48]
Similarly the Qur’an also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:
"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse"
"And the mountains as pegs?"
[Al-Qur’an 78:6-7]
None of these verses of the Qur’an contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Glorious Qur’an says:
"O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!"
[Al-Qur’an 29:56]
Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.
The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse:
"And we have made the earth egg shaped".
[Al-Qur’an 79:30]
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
Thus the Qur’an and modern established science are in perfect harmony.

Answer 3

There are verses of war in holy quran, they tell us what to do when someone is messing up with us. But without killing innocents, only those who attack us. You took these verses out of context.
The verse that you mentioned about not treating your father or your brother as a friend, but as an enemy is WRONG translation of the verse in the quran. if u really seek the truth, you should visit some islamic sites, not only anti-islamic, ok?
The thing that you said about the earth is flat, is not true, there is even an evidence in the holy quran which says the earth is round, check this link:
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_15.html
The thing about if someone apostatizes from Islam should be killed is true.

Answer 4

do they really say all those things? because i nv really read their books, quran or wotsoever.....
but i know of a case.....pretty famous case, whereby an afghan turn christian, seeked refuge to westerners coz his family and society wanna murder him for changing his belief....then when the local religious figures and westerners came together to talk about it, those leaders said, unless he 'repent' n go back to the 'old path'...as in reconvert, only then he would be accepted in his home, otherwise, death is the only thing he deserved......

it's true that maybe we shouldnt bring up the 'ugliness' of others to avoid the conflict, more so now....but...on the other hand....we retaliate when confronted right?

Amber mentioned that we ought to know the story behind those verses...well yeah, maybe the reason behind all those is justified....so it means the ppl /muslims now who act according to these verses also dunno the real meaning behind them,as much as we non muslims dun......so it means there are way too many 'misguided','wrong' practisers of the religion.....so shouldnt somehting be done about it????? rephrase that 'bible' or quran.....or something.....

Answer 5

We need an ecumenical dialogue, not a clash of cultures as prescribed by Samuel P. Huntington and Dick Cheney. The only way peace will be achieved is through a new Treaty of Westphalia, and a reintroduction of the principle of that peace which ended over 130 years of bloody religious warfare between Jew, Muslim, and Christian started with the expulsion of the Jews by Tomas de Torqemada. Don't waste time interpreting texts. Look for principles.

Answer 6

1. murder is your translation not Allah's.changing words is a game we muslims know you christians play extremely well.as far as bin baaz's statement, if he said it he was wrong.everything else is from your Lord..."and we fear not the blame of any blamer."[Quran].and dont believe every muslim who says islam means peace. it does not.and further more,we do not teach or accept the doctrine turn the other cheek.when the time for self defence comes,hold on tight.cause their aint no punks,chumps,or cheek turners here son.so stop looking for apologies.youve come to the wrong religion for that.and in case you havent read your book the punishment for apostacy in christianity is death..o.k.. death.

Answer 7

We can't base opinions on anything from a few versus or a small number of people.

Here are a few Christian bible reference.

Exodus 21:29
But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:2
Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Leviticus 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.


Using you rational, Christians arent peacefull either.

Answer 8

All of the verses from the Qur'an you have are serious mistranslations. For example the first verse should say "fight" instead of "murder". In addition to mistranslating this, you have taken it completely out of context. All commentators of the Qur'an understand it in the scriptual and historical context to describe just war against aggressors.

Answer 9

Don't take them out of context. If you really want to know the answer, then find out and read each story behind every verse.

Who the hell said that the Earth is flat??? That's one man speaking not Islam dear.

Answer 10

again i tell so many of you Islam haters that verses of the quran you must know the history of Islam to understand them and learn hadiths.

most of the verses that say to kill the kuffar(non-muslim) were sent down during the time the idol worshipers from mecca were killing off Muslims because they wanted the Muslims to follow their ways of praying to idols.so Muslims were fighting the idol worshipers because they were defending themselves.

Answer 11

Interesting. The world is flat, huh?