I perasonally belive in election, that God elected us before the foundation of the earth and that we have no say in being saved but it is all Gods doing. For all you people(and i dont mean this in a negative way so dont get defensive or anything) who believe that we have to accept Jesus into our hearts, can you give me references that tell us that, and can you tell me why you believe that? thanks.
2006-09-08 17:32:23 · 15 answers · asked by yams 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
to jedi baptist: mabye you wernt ellected, God talks about people who think they are saved but arnt...
2006-09-08 17:39:06 · update #1
to tiffany: no offense im just asking, im only 14, so i am just trying to find out what people think.
2006-09-08 17:39:49 · update #2
I don't believe that. It completely obliterates the idea of free will.
2006-09-08 17:34:14 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
You are talking about predestination. The only way I can see it is that God has known from the foundation of the world if we would be saved or not.Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.Luke 5:32 and Mark 2:17.
2006-09-09 00:40:42 · answer #2 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
To be saved means to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. To believe that he died on the cross to save us from sin and rose into heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father.We are saved by Grace. Close your eyes and ask God your question. He will answer you. John 3.16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten,son whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
2006-09-09 00:48:54 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Ahh, a fellow Calvinist. I do believe it is all by grace, and we have nothing to do with our salvation as far as works go. Yet, it is debatable whether the act of "accepting" or "receiving" can be considered "working". I am still working out this doctrine within myself, I find verses such as 2 Cor.5:11 where Paul speaks of "persuading" men troubling in that, if we have nothing do with it and it is all God's choosing, why did Paul feel he needed to "persuade" men? Then there is Jude 1:23 that throws a wrench into it too. Maybe it is not all cut and dried as we would like to think. The problem I see with holding an absolute Calvinistic view is that it tends to lead to laziness in evangelism and apologetics. Some may think, "Why spread the Gospel if God is going to save whom He wishes anyway?" As you can see, I am still meditating and contemplating on this facet of my salvation.
2006-09-09 00:48:25 · answer #4 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I was raised a five point Calvinist ( which would include the doctrine of election) but I don't believe it now.
If you believe you have no say in your salvation then verses like
"choose you this day whom you will serve"
"work out your salvation with fear and trembling" make no sense.
There is no reference that says to "ask Jesus into your hearts". It was Charles Finney who first used the alter call after preaching. He believed that you needed to give people in the congregation a chance to respond to what they had just heard. I believe God created a free will in us. How else would you explain then someone who chooses Christ as a child and rejects Him as an adult. Didn't they just choose who they would serve? The answer my church used to give was "they were never saved to begin with" That's the most judgmental thing you could say and it puts yourself in the place of God. If we have no say in being saved but God drags us kicking and screaming to the cross then that makes us nothing but robots.
2006-09-09 00:40:26 · answer #5 · answered by mel 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
This "Election" crap makes no sense. God chose who would be saved and go to heaven and who would not be saved and go to hell before he created anything... And the Bible says he made some for honor and some for dishonor. How can God be considered a loving and just God if he chooses who goes to heaven and who doesn't? What's the point of "free will" other than another lame excuse as to why people go to hell. If God doesn't choose a person for salvation then their choice of not choosing him is not even a valid argument for them to go to hell. But that's assuming there is a God, a heaven, and a hell.
2006-09-09 00:42:23 · answer #6 · answered by atheist_2_u 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I also believe in election John 14 the whole chapter. But then again what about John 3:16...
If someone honestly believe in Christ's redemption he will repent and walk with Christ (do G-d's will).
2006-09-09 00:43:23 · answer #7 · answered by Yahoo! 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
so... your a calvinist!! probably wasting my time but ok:
1 thessalonians 2:10: and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because "they refused"to love the truth and so be saved. [NIV]
John 3:16: For God so loved "the world" that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [NIV] (emphasis mine)
Revelation 3:20: Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Notice in this verse, Christ knocks at the door, it is up to us to answer the door, We have To OPEN the door, if it were not so it would not say IF anyone hears my voice.
2006-09-09 00:46:21 · answer #8 · answered by setfreejn836 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Romans 8:28 throught rest of chapter 8. Even if God pre chose us we should still try to get as many saved as we can!
2006-09-09 00:35:00 · answer #9 · answered by Sammy 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If you have a bible try reading Romans 10:9-11
2006-09-09 00:55:08 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think you are correct and I think people who say they have to accept Jesus "into their hearts" are correct too. Remember that the bible says, it is circumcision "of the heart" that God looks for!
2006-09-09 00:35:06 · answer #11 · answered by christian_lady_2001 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋