Why is it that amlost every time someone ask a question about Paganism/Wicca......?

Question

Christians ( sorry for stereotyping) seem to always quote the Bible saying that witchcraft is wrong? I can't seem to figure out why... does anyone have an answer? Sorry if this offends anyone's Faith but it is a Q&A and I really want to know ^_^

A Wiccan and Proud
-Why?

Pagans don't have a bible

Answer 1

Part of the problem is Wiccans insist on calling themselves "witches" and the ir religion "Witchcraft". The equivalent to these words have negative connotations in any language. For instance if you went to Vietnam and went around calling yourself a Phuy Tai (I think that's how it's spelled) people would be afraid of you. But for some Wiccans, the "persecution" (i.e., the shock value) is half the fun!

I was a Wiccan, the I found out the real history of Wicca. It was started by Gerald Gardner circa 1950 who lied and said he had found a stone age cult of Pagans that had somehow hid in the tiny British Isles where nothing stays hidden for long...let alone 50,000 years. He was a disciple of Aleister Crowley from who he plagarized many writings for the BoS. Like most "witchcraft cults" before (Hellfire Club, LaVisosin, etc.), it started as a sex club. He was a nudist & masochist who liked to be tied up and beaten by strong willed women, and coincidentally (if you're dense that is), his magic witch cult just happen to practice these things! Gardner was a member of the O.T.O. and met Crowley during his flophouse years. He later plagarized some of Crowley's writings for his Book of Shadows. The Thrid Degree initiation and Crowley's Gnostic Hymn read word for word. Later a Wiccan calling himself Lugh would try to do damage control by making up a ridiculous story that Crowley & Mathers had been initated into Wicca by a George Pickingill.

George Pickingill was an iliterate farm hand and couldn't have possibly have known of Egyptian, Cabalisitic, Enochian and other complex systems of occutlism that were used to create the Golden Dawn or Thelema. Gardner stole from Crowley, not the other way around.

In short, I was decieved, and I want to share what I learned with others. It's a hoax that started out as a sex club as did many witchcraft cults (the various "Hellfire Clubs, LaViosin, etc.). The followers of Wicca are self deluded into thinking they have magical powers (and they don't). Why shouldn't I want to educate others from making the same mistake I did?

Answer 2

Hey I'm Wiccan and Proud of it too... its mostly because in some cases (like my fathers) they were brought up in a severly christian household that they were taught the bible can do no wrong. And that Christianity is the only right religion out there (battled that one out with the southern baptist church I went to.) I'm not saying all christians are like that but then again, what many people in general don't understand is that Pagans were the first ones to have any form of organization behind rituals and that christian holidays actually fall either on or around a time that another pagan holiday happens. Take Easter, why do you think Easter moves around so much, it wasn't because that is when Jesus was crucified, its because there is a wiccan holiday in the spring time that always moved around like that, and in order to get the pagans to convert to christianity they just put the "Easter" holiday on that specific coordinating holiday.

Also what alot of people fail to identify is that you can be wiccan and a christian also. I know my ancestors were wiccans but also memebers of a Lutheran church. All wiccan's are are healers. Pagan's also. Its a shame though that christianity used death as a motivator to change these peoples point of views. And its sad that even now people force cruel and unjust things upon people in the name of christianity.

Answer 3

Well the Bible does state that witchcraft/astrology is wrong. I grew up in a household that believed in all of that. I actually became a Christian over ten years ago and believed in my faith but was still having trouble with particulars. I often got the very answer of it is wrong. That did not answer my question

I know from growing up that astrology and many practices of wicca resulted in very positive results so how could that be wrong. I am not a Bible scholar but I kept studying and just kind of shelved some of my doubts and visited them occasionally.

But then one day in something I was reading within the Bible opened my eyes. People looking to astrology and witchcraft for their answers instead of God. The Bible is clear in the ten commandments that thou shall have no other god. From a Christian perspective anytime someone places trust in something other than God it is a wrong. Of course what we (as Christians) failed to recognize is that which we are spouting as wrong we ourselves may be doing with: money, careers, relationships etc... Many things can represent a god like situation in our lives.

Your question/s would never offend my faith. True Christianity is about love, responding in love, giving love, we're not perfect so let me correct that statement, it is about trying to love, give love, respond in love in a non perfect world.

Hope this helps.

Answer 4

Tell you what, when they go into their whole line of how dangerous and wicked and evil it all is... ask them to define Witchcraft. I have been doin just that in chatrooms for the past 5 yrs and there hasn't been a single Christian to define it other than to give one verse from the bible... that it is rebellion. Which only leads to "when YOU rebel, does that make you a witch?" ^_^ And if they attack Wicca, tell them to give the basic laws given for it. There's 13, but I'm betting they can't even give you the first. If they were really out to battle the "evil", then they would learn more about it. You can't fight something you have absolutely no knowledge of.

The only thing those type of people are doing is showing just how ignorant they are. And to outright attack something because it has a label they don't like is childish.

Answer 5

Because when people don't fully understand something else, they use a basic defense mechanism of flight or fight. And since people can't leave these forums, they argue over the simplest of belief's.

Why can't humans realize that we are all different and will have different views and belief's and allow those with belief's not of their own just be. I mean, honestly, if someone asks and question about Wicca or Paganism, is it really hurting Christians? Nope. So give it a rest folks and start to learn things here, not try and put others belief's down.

Answer 6

Because early in Christianity's development into the world (its spreading) they came across Wiccans who didn't believe in Jesus. With their natural need to divide the world into good and bad and black and white they said if Wiccans didn't believe in Jesus they must believe in the Devil. And so with that all of a sudden everyone begins to believe Wiccans are devil worshippers. This continued well into the future until it just became accepted that Witches and Warlocks served the Devil (even though it is just an earth religion that believes in spirits inhabiting various living things in the world and has nothing to do with devil-worshipping). And worshipping the devil gets you into hell according to Christians. So they say it is completely wrong (even worse than any other religion). But as long as you keep an open mind, try not to worry too much about others not doing so.

Answer 7

Very simple: unconsciously, there is a segment of the people who pursue paths such as Wicca/Paganism to get attention and identity (not all, just a segment). This segment comes in here and WANTS fundamentalist Christians to react because ALL of us define our selves by group inclusion and comparison to others (and the groups they're in). And it becomes even better when one is perceived as a member of a persecuted group -- even some Christians find this appealing and, so, we get these contrived victim emails that try to convince us that Christians are being persecuted (e.g. prayer in schools, etc.). If you didn't feel this way, you wouldn't be asking this question; I know this kind of self-awareness can be anger-inducing but see if it applies. Too many of us think we've escaped the chains of one thought system when, in fact, we've just deluded ourselves into pursuing more of our ego/self's specialness. We should be seeking complete ordinariness and not see anything about ourselves or our path as special or more valid than others.

Answer 8

Well honestly from what Ive learned on discovery channel and reading.................Most God-fearing people have correllated witchcraft/paganism/wiccan practices with that of the devil and all that evil incarnates.Quite a lot of people dont have any quams about/with the study of magic/witchcraft and the like.Although as such in many communities it is considered taboo unfotrunately.I personally have a very invested interest in the subject myself.

Answer 9

I'm a chritian, and I have to point out that first, I think most Wiccans are gentle people who find beauty in the creation. However, the scriptures simply point out that a great deception is worked through witchcraft, that is not "magic" but "drugs."

The witchcraft that it refers to is specifically pharmakaeio...the use of drugs to practice divination, which results in posession or influence by evil supernatural creatures generally referred to as demons. The deception is that they are invoked or controlled by the witch when in fact they are controlling the witch.

Evil is real. Avoid it.

Paganism is generally considered the worship of nature. That is the worship of created things, in the view of Christians, rather than in the Creator. Some pagans say they actually worship father and mother gods of earth, ie creator, but I have to note that God isn't what you make of him...you are what He made. :)

Cheers....

Answer 10

I've never understood it either, especially since the quotes they are using were mistranslated from their original texts. They don't even know the meanings themselves, they are just restating what they think they should say.

For example - the most famous quote that gets thrown our way 99% of the time of "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"

Witch, in this context, was a translation put in by King James, who was a infamous male chauvinist , actually was to be Poisoner.