If Brits are so worried about immigrants taking their jobs?

Question

why don't they stay in school longer get a better education, and take those jobs back that they are losing to the immigrants? I've never been beat out for a job by an immigrant, but I don't call in sick, and I'm not a lazy *** yob. Maybe that has something to do with it?

So basically what you seem to be saying is that they take the jobs the Brits don't want...so whats the problem? By the way UK is part of the EU so alot of immigrants are not illegal. The rest are asylum seekers and that is a different question.

For those of you on about, they take less wages, they manage to live and feed there families(which are usually bigger than the average British family)on said wage. So couldn't you do the same. Are you saying they are better than you, because they can do without what you can't. Namely the I want it now lifestyle.

By the way, I am not University educated. I started working a part time job at 8. I finished school at 18 and have worked in my profession ever since. I have worked hard manual labour for every thing I have and nothing has ever been provided for me, my parent is dirt dirt poor.

Ricky, your right your statement is retarded. We're not talking about ownership here, we don't own the immigrants, we don't own the jobs. There is a standard, these people need a place to live, food etc. So like Miriam says(thank you by the way) they're not working for 5p an hour. If business is paying tax free under the table to immigrants shouldn't we be taking our frustrations out on those dodgy businesses, instead of people trying to better themselves.

MattieP Maybe that the problem, too many people think there are gaurentees in life. There is only one gaurentee in life...one day you will die. and opportunity comes from hard work and diligence, what you do with it is up to you

Pamala expectation is irrelivant. Reality is. I expect to wake tomorrow, but the reality is I could have an anurism in my sleep and not.

TunaChunks I do have my own company, and I employ what krizwizz is feeling bad for...skilled British Labour. Not because I'm against immigrants but because I haven't found any yet that can do the job to the level I'm looking for. See I don't advertise, all my work is based on referrals, and I'm busy year round, for hust that reason, excellent workmanship.

Jimmy Two Times, some excellent points Bravo

Ligiersarede
First. you would be suprised at what my thoughts are on the subject.
second. will you need corrective training when you finish school and why are you going if it's a pointless excersise?
Third. your secondly statement is just stupid. This stone in the Atlantic is to small to not have come into contact with immigrants, and I live in one of the most densly immigrant populated areas in the UK.
Fourth. If they get child benifit and tax credit who's fault is that, the immigrant?...or the the gov't we as a collective voted in. Check your facts on the unemployment rate, it actually dropped last month by 1000.(so it's holding steady) The 92000 you are talking about happened over 3 months from April to June in 2005. This quarters rates aren't even out yet. Check www.statistics.gov.uk
As well I have spouted no such thing, (for a budding lawyer I would think you would read all the answers) I was just replying to the other inane answers I've recieved.

By the way there are 1.68 million unemployed not 4.5 million,...what are you just making this up as you go along?

Veritas, Immigrants not working, your right what good is that?? So we complain when they don't work and are sponging off the system, but we also complain when they work?? Not much room for the poor immigrant to manouver is there?? The government encourages the benifit culture, absolutly they do, but who embraces that culture?? Is it the hard working average middle class Briton, or is it the others that seem to be the first to complain about people taking jobs, or the other 3.5 million benifit recipients. I like your thinking there but the fact is they don't claim themselves as unemployed, they claim themselves as unemployable. These make up, drug addicts, bad backs, bad feet, bad whatever, single mothers starting at age 14 some of them, the pysically hadicapped and infirm, mentally ill and infirm, asylum seekers, and there ilk. Fraudsters, of course, but even @ 10% that only 350000, well short of your 5 mil.

Out of curiousity, seeing as you read Sunday Business. What do you think would happen to the Pound sterling if the unemployment rate shot up from 5.5% to 15% over night as you are suggesting? Do you think it might drop like a stone. We have seen what has happened in the US since their dollar has been sliding, unprecidented intrest rate hikes (17 straight recently), families that are already struggling with big mortgage, car loan, ridiculously irresponsible credit card debt would be decimated. Who would they point the finger at then...immigrants, government, business, who?? Certainly not where it belongs, at themselves. Years of complacentcy and inability to overcome adversity, because of the "I want it and I want it now, and if I can't have it I'm gonna sit on my as.s and whine about it" attitude that plauges this once Great Country.

Now that was a lecture, those others are called rebuttles.
I'm content to let people wallow in ignorance and self pity! I rarely lecture.

Answer 1

I feel the same as you. Why don't the people who lose their jobs to immigrants think the problem might be with themselves. Afterall if an immigrant who might not speak english as well or hasn't had the same world class education can take their job, something must be wrong with them. There is a minimum wage in place so it's not like immigrants are working for 5p an hour.

Another thing, if they are losing jobs, why not be angry with the employers for selling them out to cheaper labour? It's whats gone on for centuries with out own government and big huge corporations.

Also, the more immigrants that come, the more jobs will be needed. For every 30 immigrant children there will need to be a new teacher. Or for every 50 immigrants there will need to be more dentists, doctors, police, nurses etc. so more higher skilled jobs (which Brits can go for) are becomming available, while immigrants are covering the lower-end jobs that we've grown too lazy/proud to do. But not only are high-skilled job available, more immigrants also mean we need more people to do other low jobs, such as we will need more refuse collectors, more cleaners, more civil service jobs for brits who can't work in high-skilled jobs. There's no denying the FACT that immigrants have boosted our economy, the figures don't lie.

Nice ot hear someone speaking within reality rather than from tabloid scaremongering.

Answer 2

I'm not really sure why I'm going to bother answering this question as you pretty well have your mind made up already, but as you state in your additional details, I think we need to concentrate on the facts.

Firstly, what will staying at school longer do exactly? Employers are moaning that the graduates leaving university need corrective training the momment they enter the work place which makes university, getting 30,000 quid in debt, a pretty pointless exercise.

Secondly, I am no lazy yob either - I work full time to pay the mortgage and support my small family, study law at graduate level part- time, and rennovate houses with my partner - I have had 1 sick day in two years and never take my full holiday entitlement. The fact that you seem to think all indigenous folk are suggests to me that you are either an employer taking advantage of immigrants, are an immigrant yourself or happen to live in some back water somewhere that hasn't come into contact with them yet.

Thirdly, you need to realise that this is all about money, not a shortage of labour - statistics reveal that there are 4.5 million people jobless in the U.K, last month that figure increased by 92,000 and of the past 18 months the figure has rose consistently, yet we keep shipping in more workers from the E.U.
Employers are in business to make money, if they can get away with cheaper labour they will, Oh and by the way the reason they can afford to work for so much less is because they can claim child benefit for children still living abroad and receive tax credits based on the previous years salary - which was probably earned in their native country (In poland the average wage is around 5,000 quid p.a - this means E.U migrants get about 10,000 quid as soon as they get a job in the U.K and then the U.K taxpayer subsidises their salary from then on) couple this with the fact that large groups of immigrants will rent a house and split the cost of living between maybe 4-6 working people so they can continue to support families at home whereas the average indigenous family will have 1 income or 2 if their partner works, along with all the debts that have been accumulated as a way of life, i.e mortgage, car loan, credit cards etc etc. Perhaps you would like us all to ring our creditors and say that we have to only pay a third of our debts because we have had to lose two thirds of our salary to compete with foreign workers who undercut us when they arrived here with none of these burdens.
I hope you can begin to see what we are getting at.

I have personal experience of this issue and if you would like to take the time to read my previous 'best' answer on a similar question you are quite welcome to see the facts of my particular case.

Also research published in the daily express shows that the majority of the jobs which immigrants are filling are in management/office based jobs so I would like to suggest maybe you research the area before spouting off claims that they are only filling jobs no one wants anyway.

Answer 3

Then, you would have immigrants in your country who were out of work. What good is that? It is the government who have encouraged a benefits culture. How long my friend, before the immigrants realise that they don't have to work for a living, and join the benefits culture? By the way, 3.5 million people on the benefits register should be on the unemployment register (Sunday Business). So, the real unemployment figure is about 5 million. Don't lecture your respondents, smart ***.

Answer 4

Don't the immigrants take the jobs that students and part time teens usually do. So how are the students going to pay to get through uni now. Its other things that worry us Brits about immigrants like crime, disease and homes. Its simple alot of them are NHS tourists, alot if them have criminal records and have killed, raped and stolen from us Brits and they all need homes don't they. Don't you think that Britian is overcrowded enough, with too many cars on the roads and not enough decent public transport to serve us. Well if you don't lets let in another 700 000 Polish, then the same amount of Bulgarians and Romanians. Soon we have 5 million plus immigrants. Thats like adding 2 more Manchesters to the UK. Where exactly are they going to go.

Answer 5

That is completely retarded statement..... Lets give a for instance here. I have an Xbox 360, and an original xbox, I don't need or necessarily want the original xbox any longer. That does not mean some should be free to take it as they see fit. Some people have no choice but to work jobs they do not want, and when illegal immigrants come into a country and work for less than what a legal, tax paying citizen can afford to, it puts that citizen out of a job....

Answer 6

Unfortunately not every one is capable of being a rocket scientist so have to make a living the best way they can. Some people have learning difficulties, unstable home life etc and can't always get the jobs they want. The jobs they can do are being taken.

Many skilled tradesmen who have trained for years and work very hard have lost out to immigrant workers who are willing to work for very little money to send home.

Maybe you're not a lazy yob but you are an ignorant f**k.

I'd like to add that immigrants are also being ripped off by greedy bosses and I feel for them too. Difficult situation.

Answer 7

Looks like a potential battle between one ignorant person and a whole bunch of 'em. Just as their opinions are simplistic and not properly thought through for them to think that all jobs which go to foreigners are "lost jobs" for the UK citizens already here - when maybe they are simply NEW jobs - then also the fact that someone is better educated and diligent is not necessarily going to guarantee that he will find suitable work -if there's no job or only a finite number of positions available. More people after the same jobs means more people not getting those jobs.

Answer 8

it has nothing to do with being a lazy yob. there are people with learning difficulties (sometimes as mild as dyslexia) or behavioural problems such as add/adhd out there who werent understood in school so have no qualifications and need the lower paid jobs. there are university students who need to work their way through uni because the british government are money hungry theives, but the students cant get the jobs because the immigrants are happy to work for less money, making it more andd more difficult for intelligent people to go to university. you really shouldnt post a question in favor of immigration when you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about. are you a mummys boy / daddys girl whos parents put you through university? have you never had to have a minimum wage job? because only then can you really say you know what you are talking about. so please, do all us ENGLISH (not british as people in england live in ENGLAND not scotland, ireland, wales are english) people a favor and shut up. but thanks for the 2 points.

Answer 9

Immigration - Europeans have laws!
NUMBER ONE, IS EVERYONE MUST HAVE A VALID, CURRENT PASSPORT, AND IT MUST BE STAMPED BY THE COUNTRY THAT YOU ARE PERMITTED TO LIVE IN, AND YOU MUST HAVE IT VALIDATED YEARLY!

YOU MUST PAY ALL FEES ASSOCIATED, AND IF YOU DON'T DO ALL OF THE ABOVE, THE PUT AN APB AND EVERY AIRPORT, EVERY TRAIN AT THE BORDERS YOU ARE STOPPED AND EVERY, YES EVERY PASSENGER MUST HAVE THEIR VALID PASSPORT.

THEY CAN DETAIN YOU AT ANY TIME, FOR ANY REASON. We have no civil rights when we leave the gold USA. Got that, no rights! They surround you with polizei who point the sub-machine guns at you, then they ask questions....yeah that's right, and we were overseas with a major corporation!!!!!!
When I lived in Germany for 4 years with only a resident's permit that is stamped in my Passport and must be renewed with all fees paid yearly, my ex-husband had his work permit and resident's permit, I was not allowed to work....yeah right!

So I went to the American Headquarters and filled out all applications, and guess what I learned...

American Military Wives have 1st priority, then

GERMAN NATIONALS have 2nd priority,

then other Americans (me) can try to get a job....I had an accounting degree, and tons of experience ....but had to take a minimum wage job....with Eaton Corporation because I had a clearance in the states....they paid the guys top wages but I got a small increase when they got my clearance changed to overseas.

But it gave me the opportuntiy to have an ID card, which is gold overseas, and then I could associate with Americans. We make friends fast, and we lost friends fast.

Answer 10

All this whining about immigrants - In the end, I think, it's nothing but
good old fashioned racism and the fear that someone else could get something I don't. And any foreigner, illegal or not, who is caught shoplifting will make another newspaper item to feed that.