Even the world "illegal" I see it as bad, I think the right word will be undocumented.
Immigration laws and penal laws are two different things
2006-09-06 22:55:26 · 29 answers · asked by Jordan 3 in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
Ja !! unbelieveable ... is it so hard to understand that if breaking an immigration law will be a crime you would spend years in jail. If you break an immigration law they just deport you, which is the punishment, thats what makes it different. and if it will be like that we're all criminals, because even discrimination is illegal in this country and you guys (bunch of criminals) do it everyday
2006-09-06 23:06:47 · update #1
Seems you struggle with the correct definition of words I thought I'd start there.
law: established rule of conduct stating uniform behavior.
criminal: one that violates a law.
penal: relating to punishment (properly defined as codes or systems) ...Are Not "Laws"
Assigning incorrect meanings to words invalidates your flawed and baseless argument.
The Mexican government has printed a picture book with few and simple words giving instructions of how to infiltrate the U.S. Obviously not geared for their doctors or engineers, it includes directions for hiding and ways to transfer money back to Mexico.
A case is easily made that those that follow the guide are indeed not just Illegal/Immigrants...Aliens, but are in fact non-uniformed soldiers participating in a State Sponsored Invasion. Breaking immigration Laws does indeed make one a Criminal, to do so at the instruction of a foreign government, by definition makes them Invaders!
I suggest you save your allowance, get off mom;s computer, buy a dictionary and look up the word racist...another definition that you obviously don't understand.
2006-09-07 00:44:42 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
It is illegal. The fact that it isn't being properly prosecuted except in 'test cases' is a failure of our government that is causing a lot of anger.
"On June 1, the three Ordaz-Valtierra brothers from Mexico illegally crossed the Rio Grande with the same dream that so many other Latin American immigrants have: head north from the border, get jobs and start sending money home.
Their journey, instead, ended in a federal courthouse here, where, dressed in orange prison jumpsuits, each was charged with the federal misdemeanor crime of entry without inspection. Each pleaded guilty and was sentenced by a U.S. magistrate judge to 15 days. Under guard of U.S. marshals, they were put in shackles and bused to a West Texas jail to serve their time and await deportation home."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700455.html?nav=rss_world/centralamerica
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001324----000-.html
However, patois should get the 10 points, if only because what she wrote is hilarious.
2006-09-07 02:33:49 · answer #2 · answered by DAR 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Have you ever heard the saying, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"?
It simply means, what ever country, or culture, you enter into, in order to be accepted by the members of that country/ culture you need to learn what the social mores and rules are of that country/culture, respect them, and follow them.
For example, If I go to Germany, there is a law that says bike riders traveling down the sidewalk have the right of way and pedestrians must move aside to allow the bike rider to pass. Now, in our country, that is the other way around; pedestrians have the right of way, and if a bike rider traveling down the sidewalk knocks over a pedestrian, that bike rider can face criminal charges.
However, if I am visiting Germany, it is disrespectful, out of place, and criminal for me to think, "well, why should I have to follow this law? I am accustomed, as a pedestrian, to have the right of way on a sidewalk in my country; why should I respect this stupid German law?" If I insist on having my way and take up the sidewalk when a bicyclist tries to pass, I may very well wind up with a fine or spend a few nights in jail.
The concept is the same with illegals trying to come into the U.S. As far as I am concerned, the borders are too porous as it is. There should be MORE laws to protecting our borders. When you pass the customary tests involved in entering the country, you have (hopefully) demonstrated that you know our laws, know your responsibilities as an American citizen, and have respect for our laws.
Granted, there are many "illegals" who work hard and try their best. In fact, I have met some. However, it doesn't take away from the fact that they are still NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND HAVE ENTERED THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. I am NOT racist, in fact I am half native american/ hispanic myself. I am just calling a spade a spade.
I think most people associate illegal aliens with welfare, crime, and disrespect for the law. There are many of those who fit this description. I am aware that being poor Mexican living in Mexico must really suck. I am aware that the wait list to get into this country legally can be upwards of five years.
All I can say is, if you stealthily come in here illegally, at LEAST follow the law and rules of this country, and learn to EARN the respect of the American citizens.
2006-09-06 23:31:23 · answer #3 · answered by Jane 1 · 4⤊ 2⤋
Well friend, maybe we should change our immigration laws to something more similar to Mexico's laws. Then you might like it better. Think about it. I also hope you get to find out what true racism is. If you think being against illegal immigration is harsh, wait until you meet some nice people who really hate you for the color of your skin. Good luck!
I'm tired of being called a racist. I think this person should get a clue before he goes around labeling the people he wants to help him. Real racism is ugly and no one will get any sympathy from me by using the word incorrectly for their own gain.
2006-09-07 00:59:03 · answer #4 · answered by DJ 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Maybe this makes me racist (though I don't think so), but people who ignore the laws our society enacts to instill order so they can do whatever they want are criminals. That which is against the law is illegal. Changing the words to something more comfortable for you to hear doesn't make this any less true.
I don't really know what you mean by "Immigration laws and penal laws are two different things." (What is a "penal law"? Do you mean "criminal law"?)Does this mean that it's OK to ignore one set of laws, but not another? Because immigration laws carry penalties for when they are violated, and those who violate them should have to suffer those penalties, including detainment and deportation.
2006-09-06 23:01:59 · answer #5 · answered by julz 7 · 6⤊ 3⤋
Undocumented (sugar coated word) = illegal
illegal = criminal
You have 2 choices illegal alien or criminal.
Which do you prefer me to use??
If you come into my country without going thru the correct process/ procedure that would make you a CRIMINAL TRESPASSER. Sorry if that offends you, just stating the facts.
2006-09-07 01:04:56 · answer #6 · answered by Hold em Rox 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
My views on illegal immigration have nothing to do with racism...my views on the matter are common sense related.
Why is the word illegal deemed racist by you? It is politically correct to say undocumented? What is the difference? They are used in the same context and for all intensive purposes mean the same thing when you are speaking of illegal immigrants.
2006-09-07 00:45:36 · answer #7 · answered by ? 6 · 4⤊ 2⤋
I guess that if you are caught breaking the U.S. law you could not be put in our jail because you don't belong here in the first place. That would be kidnapping? Deporting is the only reasonable, legal thing to do. Why not come the legal accepted way??????????
Illegals, undocumented must have a disease, or be wanted by their country for a crime or be delivering drugs or what ever reason they can't come the legal way.
2006-09-06 23:44:19 · answer #8 · answered by pappy 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
I can understand what you are saying. The word criminal sounds like someone who committed a murder. Even the word illegal fits better but the correct word is undocumented.
2006-09-07 07:58:31 · answer #9 · answered by mar 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You are right. I would hate to see my father being called a criminal just because he was looking for a better life. I mean he has his papers now but that does not wipe the slate clean to what he used to be called. My father has never committed a crime a day in his life but yet he is a criminal. Also when the first European came here they did not only break the law by trying to kill off the original inhabitants here, they tried to make themselves that found this land. So in a sense each and everyone of our ancestors are criminals.
2006-09-07 00:18:10 · answer #10 · answered by Miss Vira 4 · 3⤊ 4⤋