which political party do you think id more Christian or following the gospel of Jesus and why?

Question

I'll post my view shortly in add details so check back after answering.

calendar girl sdummed up my own views far better than I could.

calendar girl summed up my own views far better than I could. (the long answer at bottom)

calendar girl summed up my own views far better than I could. (the long answer at bottom)

sorry I was trying to edit that and eras and it kept printing instead..only meant to say that once.

Answer 1

Jesus was a liberal as evidenced by the following verses:

1 "feed the hungry"

(not cut food programs, food stamps, wic, and school lunches)
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2. "shelter the homeless"

(not cut housing programs as Republicans did in December with the reverse Robin Hood bill) while ignoring the homeless and making more of them including children
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3. "Heal the sick"
(not have 45 million without health care when the government's own studies (GAO) show universal health care is cheaper than the system we have now).

30,000 americans die each year that would be alive if they had health care hurting their families and children..let's focus on those families and extend prolife views to include the living as well.
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4."Don't judge lest you be judged"

(as Republicans are so fond of doing--now being a case in point ...if a believer you should fear what God will say about your judging on the final judgement
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5."Do not publically broadcast your faith but go in your secret prayer closet"

(using your faith to get votes shows the difference between the faith of Bush vs. Kerry)
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6. "Blessed are the peacemakers"

(using depleted uranium weapons and causing horrific birth deformities like this is unconscienable as is a war for false reasons..could a true Christian really do this to children and their parents/grandparent and cause such extreme suffering?)

http://www.uksociety.org/us_crimes_against-humanity_1.htm




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7. "If you favor the rich over the poor, you are commititing a sin"

(one could not say it more clearly than this Bible verse and no-one is more transparent about favoring the rich over the poor than Bush)

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8."The most important of these is love, if you have not love, you have nothing" (he was speaking of faith and hope being secondary to love)

...the 50 billion dollars cuts made in December to food and housing programs, cuts to veterans benefits, child support enforcement programs, etc are not demonstrating love --much hardship and human suffering will result.

It is particularly hypocritical especially when one is doing it solely to turn around three weeks later in order to cut 70 billion in tax cuts to the rich...these are not the principles of Jesus.

Isn't it enough the poor and working poor are the ones who are sacrificing their children to war..must they now finace it too?
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9."If someone asks for your coat, give them your hat too"

This is social justice in action, and reminds us that God loves a cheerful giver. We are to give to those in need, not, for example, throw fatherless children off welfare so their moms can work two jobs and essentially orphan them. Care for the orphans, the bible says frequently. It is the children who we are really giving to with social programs like welfare.

He also shows in the parables of the workers who worked just an hour getting the same pay as those working all day, that caring about people's needs and being generous superceeds the status quo and that He will repay us for our generosity. He uses us to help answers the prayers of others.
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10. Trust God, not man, to protect you"


(this means not using pre-emptive strikes, FEMA, and homeland security, but faith alone for that takes real faith and trust....remember the battle of Jerico)
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11. "Pray for and love your enemies"

(again don't use depleted uranium and contaminate all food and water for 4 1/2 billion years, and caused cancer, gulf-war type syndrome, and horrific birth deformities to skyrocket). Doing something like this only causes a desire for retribution against us as well.
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12. "Thou shall not kill"

some of the deaths caused by the neocons include

*deaths from unnessary war,

*from D.U. weapons and the sicknesses they cause

*for our own troops being poisoned and for their future children (extreme deformities--67% of Gulf War I vets have kids with serious birth defects like missing eyes and limbs from our use of DU weapons..all four of the countries we used them in have had gulf-war type syndromes). Also spouses of troops are dying.

*the deaths of innocent civilians in neighboring countries (15 countries from Iraq so far as DU spreads widely),

*and future generations, (till the end of time)---millions or more of people

*from preventable deaths for lack of health care due to political contributions and kickbacks from insurance companies, etc.being more important to politicians than people's lives

*from the rise in number of aborted babies from lack of programs and a living wage etc which makes it more likely the women will choose an abortion (which are way up under Bush),

*people who kill themselves when they lose their home from economics of the day and from program cuts

*or lose a job due to free trade agreements and outsourcing, etc and become depressed and commit suicide

*or who die because there can't afford medical drugs due to not allowing Canadian drugs to be purchased cheaper

*or die from freezing to death when they become homeless from housing programs cuts

*or die from sicknesses from substandard food that Americans especially poor and uneducated one are eating daily due to food companies lobbists

*death that results from harming the enviroment and killing the planet itself and other species

*killing people in the future through ignoring global warming and bypassing alternative feuls (which is involved in wars that kill) for profits

and on and on it goes...it is the taking of another's life which we are not to do

This doesn't include the millions more who suffer greatly as a result of current policies here and around the world.
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13. Though not from the words of Jesus, Ezechiel22: 25-31 says (in my translation)---think of this administration and these words...

"they kill innocent people for profit "(see above for examples and no blood for oil)

"they make widows out of women" (war, and see list above)

"they plot their secret plans like lion going after their prey"

and it concludes with "they claim God speaks to them when He hasn't said a word to them" and that "they will be HARSHLY punished for hurting the poor.

How appropriate to today's leaders...
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Yes, Jesus and God love the poor and so do liberals.

It is love in action that speaks and it is that love that Jesus refers to when he will say at the final judgement, "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me, in prison and you visited me, "etc when He says "whatsoever you do to the least of my breathren, you do unto me".

When He says to the others "I was hungry and you didn't feed me" etc. and depart from me "I never knew you" it will be to those without love in their hearts for love is the key that makes the difference...

God sees inside and he called the outwardly perfect pharasees on their fiflty, hard hearts inside, and loved the sinners instead. He says what he thinks of the rich (it is harder...eye of a needle..") and the political right is the party of the rich.
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14. "Look to the beam in your own eye"

(ie--stop judging others for their sins as only God know their heart, all the circumstances, environment,and their natural temperament and brain chemistry that influences one decision).

Since only God knows all the variables, only He is fit to judge).
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These are only a few of the verses that show Jesus does not think like you and was indeed a liberal. He also elevated the status of women in his days.

It is a sterotype to say that all liberals are godless. I personally am a born again, evangelical Christian who is very far left precisely because of my Christian values and study of the word of God and following of principles of love that stem from a conscience and good heart and a belief to do unto others.

Jesus warned that many would be led astray by false preachers in these end times; unfortunately, these Christians that are being led astray in mass numbers are blind to the fact that they are part of what Jesus prophesized.

They are listening to false prophets who substitute their own conservative ideology for the words of Jesus and twist his words to suit their viewpoints pulling millions down the path of destruction....who are unaware of their own self-righteousness, lack of caring for others,, and blindness.

Just like in His days, religious people were blind to the truth..and hated Jesus for pointing it out so too, do you hate those who point out that your own willful beliefs superceeding Jesus' words or your blind following of false prophets.

Jesus pointing out to the pharasees that though they thought they were moral and upright for following all the jewish laws and 10 commandments strictly, they did so without love in their hearts and with self-righteousness. It is our love for God and our fellow man that God wants most from us.

Jesus eschewed the company of the religious and preferred that of prostitutes, tax collectors, adulterers and other sinners. Likely he would be hanging out with the gays and poor and homeless and women having abortions if he walked the earth today and people like you would be criticizing him for loving the lowly and sinners.

He hates hypocrites and so many Christians are hypocrits but blind to thier hypocrisy --modern day pharasees who risk being rebuked if they don't wake up.

I do not hate Christians, being one; however, I do feel sorry that so many like sheep are led astray because they are following the words of outspoken religious rights pasters and leaders rather than the words of their true shephard, Jesus.

As far as what conservstives say about liberals and the issues of abortion, gays, and the military, see below.

Not all liberals are non religious. Also not all are prochoice, in fact, 43% of them are not and are prolife.

Prolife also includes those killed in war and by the decisions of corporations who own the politicians, primarily republican one. These corporations cause large numbers of deaths through things like leaking chemicals, radiation leaks, altered foods, etc.

Being against war and trying in at all possible to be peacemakers is not being anti military..never sending our military into harm's way unless is is absolutely necessary is being pro military.

If you are, in fact, pro military you don't seek to cut veterans pay, health care, benefits, hospitals etc. as Bush did, nor deprive them of health care after poisoning them with depleted uranium and hiding it as it is too expensive to care for them. You do not exclude health care for the deformed children they have and the sick spouses who get poisoned from their husband's exposure.

As far as gays, studies are starting to show that this may not be a choice as the brain chemistry and hormones of gay men are very similar to that of straight women and not at all like that of straight men.

The immoral use of estrogenic herbicides in our foods for profit and estrogenic herbicides which leech into the ground water is unbalancing human hormone systems. In the 1 1/2 generations since I was a young teen, the average age of first menstruation has gone from age 13 to age 9..this is a huge change in such a short time and it is suspected that the hormones in the dairy products, etc are causing this.


These hormones are also linked to the exponential rise in reproductive cancers like prostrate, breast, uterine etc. It is also linked with homosexual behavior in animals that drink the water and eat from the soil where these estrongenic herbiides have leached into. So, it is assumed that it also is affecting humans this way.

It is more than likely that the greedy use of these chemicals to fatten up animals and have them produce unnatural amounts of milk for profit is a cause of much of the homosexual behavior rather than a choice. these hormones in the food and herbicides, etc. are also linked to sexual deviance.

In the days of Leviticus, the homosexual rate was likely much less and perhaps a choice unlike much of the behavior today.

Also we do not follow the hebrew laws anymore in respect to things like killing someone who commits adultery, eats unclean animals or shellfish, nor are our men considered unclean if they sit on a chair after a menstruating womon sits there for 7 days or requires to do cleansing ceremonies.

The new testament/convenent did away with the old testament/covenant in regards to Christians and salvation

..we are no longer under the law (10 commandment, golden rule, Jewish laws, etc) for salvation, but under grace (the finished work on our behalf wrought from the sacrificed blood of Jesus; consequently, even though we all have sinned, we all can find salvation through trusted in the finsihed work of Jesus' death and resurrection...not our works lest any man should boast. This includes gay people.

Some of the cases of homosexuality are caused by these estrogenic and environmental factors and genetics, while some are a choice and thus a sin and yet, just as jesus' work 2000 years ago cleansed us from all our sin (past, present, and future ...as all our sins were future then), so too, can God forgive and justify the current sin of homosexuality if it is washed in the blood of Jesus...only Jesus/God is fit to judge any sin as only He knows the heart, temperment, and unknown to us factors that influence each individual.

If it is genetic, hormonal, or environmentally caused, it is not a choice or a sin.

With those cases where it is a sin, is it any greater than the sins we don't conquer and keep committing but that jesus will and has forgiven if we trust in Him to save us? The bible says all sin is hated by God and thus equal in God's eyes and that all have sinned and the whole world stands hushed and guilty before God.

Our role is to not judge people but leave this to God...our role is to love and do unto others as we would wish others would do to us. Judge not, lest you be judged, we are told and look to the beam in own own eye.

One needs to open their mind. I studied Kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning in college..most people reach stages 1-4, a few people, generally the very intelligent reach stages 5 and 6 which I have and at the lower stages people judge in this manner..it's wrong if the law says so, but those at the higher reasoning see the nuances and realize there are universal laws which can supercede man's laws..that"a law that is unjust", Aquinas said, "is not a law." So one must take all factors into account, and since only God, being supremely intelligent, knows all the factors, only He is fit to judge.

So if liberals are considerd not decent for adhering to the words of Jesus and loving the least among us, then you must say the same for Jesus...since Jesus was the only sinless man, one cannot say he was immoral.

.one feels love by understanding that there are extenuating circumstances at times (gays--may be genetic, etc), someone who is having an abortion (and I am very prolife) is under more stress perhaps than any time in their lives..with time they may regret that choice made in moments of panic or pressure from others etc.

I personally would do all I could to help someone considering abortion and explain in passionate words how much my own children have enriched my life, etc but if the person still had an abortion, I would continue to love them and try to help them just as God does us.

I have been to churches where the minister railed on and on in judging fiery tones against gays, catholics, teens who commit suicide, etc. I summoned up my courage and shared with him that he will never reach them with his message if he talks like that..they will become angry, defensive, closed to him and anything he says, and leave.

True Christianity strives to love people and treat them kindly and Christians in their zealousness to proclaim sin is wrong push people from God through their examples. We are to live a good life and be kind to all, show the love of Jesus by the example of the lives we lead as best we can understanding we are flawed and do fail at times, and then trust that God will use that to try to help the person...one catches more flys with honey than vinegar they say..

Let he without sin cast the first stone...apllies just as surely to each of us as it did then...one could say that throwing a fatherless child off welfare and causing him to go hungry, wear tattered clothing and suffer, or be put out of a subsidized home unto the street because their mom had problems (many of which we may not know about) is just as sinful as being gay might be or being prochoice...if not much worse..

So is what we are doing to the people in Iraq..look at these pictures in the link and ask if a true Christian (supposedly Bush and the repulicans) would do that to someone and their parent's and grandparents..try to put yourself in the place of a mother who delivers a child who would have been normal if it wasn't for our secret nuclear wars against innocent cililians in the guise of "helping them".. and see how this leads to hate not peace..it is certainly not loving our enemies or living by the golden rule.

..As far as social programs, all social programs combined
(adc, food stamps, housing, wic, school lunches, etc.. ALL of them) amount to just $50 billion a year...$1.14 a day each approximately from each taxpayer, while $1,338 a year goes to tax cheating, job exporting, environment destroying corporations such as gas companies., etc making record profits...

Companies like Walmarts who expect taxpayers to foot the bills and actively train their managers to tell their employees to apply for programs such as food stamps, housing, medicaid, wic, etc because they do not want to pay for health insurance (and lose their competitive edge against responsible companies who do) and who despite being the richest company in the world, do not pay a living wage.

These are the true welfare cheats...where the bulk of your hard earned money goes...noone says anything about them...when Walmarts sends it's employees to apply for social programs, it hurts people like my brother with schizophrenia or a blind or paralyzed person who truly needs help as then too many people are using their programs so it is the first place they cut money from with their soaring deficits and those in true need due to disabilities are the ones who suffer for Walmart's greed.

In 12 states studied, Walmart's had the most employees on all social programs in 11 of those 12 states.

Trillions of dollars are also going to tax cuts that mostly help the top few % of the people who need it the least and to an immoral war that is making us less safe and ruining human DNA and harming all species in Iraq. Save your anger for the fact that people in the surrounding areas through the end of time will suffer from horriifc deformity and illnesses and death because of what we did to them and our own troops you proport to love so much. To harm people in the future through radiation's effects who will not even know we existed is terrorism on a scale that makes 911 pales in comparison..vengence is mine says the Lord.

The fact is we do not decide where the money goes....and the fat cats---billionaires and multi billion dollar corporations do decide with their expensive lobbyists...the politicians are only too happy when we get mad at the poor person down the street so they can cut that programs, while retaining their war for profit or the massive corporate welfare and pet, pork projects, while not losing all their political campaign contributions, kickbacks, gifts, perks, future job offers etc that the rich give them.

Forget not that Jesus talked about the poor more than any topic in the bible except salvation and the bible says that if you favor the poor over the rich, you are committing a sin..he tells us to particularly love the poor and least among us..although you may do a lot to help people individually, your help can never add up to a drop in the bucket for the true help so many people need and that the government gives....and for $1..14 a day, you are helping people who might otherwise be homeless, hungry, sick, get raped, beaten, clinically depressed (and thus inadvertently neglectful of their kids)etc.

You are making an investment into the lives of children and also society...when the mom is forced to work 2 or 3 low paying job when kicked off welfare or when she loses her insurance, etc., the fatherless child now has no mother as well and has a greatly reduced chance of turning out right, thus harming society and future generations that they will one day parent.

This is a small investment that helps so many both in the now and the future...including those who work that may become victims of a neglected child who may feel unloved since no parent is there to guide them and love them\and eventually goes down the wrong path...wasting their life and others.

Given all this, I must certainly conclude that liberals are the party of conscience and following Jresus' words.

Answer 2

There is no political party that is "following the gospel of Jesus."

It would be quite impossible to run a government the way Jesus said individuals should live.

When choosing a political leader, I think it is more important to choose the person who would best "serve" the nation as a whole, not necessarily how that person would "serve" the party they are running for.

I have always wondered how some people think that the most important issues in the world today are gay marriage and abortion. There are seriously people who would never vote for a democrat simply because of those two issues. Bush has used those issues twice to sway a segment of society who can not see the world from any other perspective.

I have been republican most of my life. Until the most recent presidential election I never voted for a democrat for president.

I have a problem with people who USE religion and spirituality to control others and/or remain in control. I have a problem with any politician that PRETENDS Christianity to get what they want; yet EVERY other part of their "service" to our country says otherwise. I have a problem with people who CLAIM to want to protect life, yet supports a culture of death. I have a problem with a party that CLAIMS to defend states rights yet attempt to pass legislation that limits states rights.

Jesus said, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God, that which is God's." He said it for a reason. He understood the difference and why they must remain separate.

Answer 3

It don't matter because both partys will prove beond a doubt that they are christian because 80% of the United States are christian.

I really hope you place your vote from what you think they will do once in office or what you think they stand for.. Something a some kind of importance.

Answer 4

Morally, republican.
Democrats do try to look out for the poor more, although they are indirectly screwing them. Their economics lean more toward communism, which in this world, doesn't work (see USSR). The republicans advocate more of a rich get richer thing, which helps to create more jobs for the poor to work at. But however, sometimes the rich just hoard it, which sucks, but man is sinful.

Answer 5

Democrats. We are always in war when a republican is in office, and in war there is killing. Dying for our country is not the answer.

Answer 6

i think neither. Jesus wouldnt be democrat or republican. period. he would be right in the middle if anything. He doesnt support gay marriage and he doesnt support murdering babies like the liberals do. sorry people he wouldnt be democratic :)

Answer 7

democrat