the same thing to god-father and god-son ..
2006-09-04 23:13:00 · 9 answers · asked by u&me 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
There is not one scripture in the Bible that supports the idea that the Father, the son, and the holy spirit are all three the same person. The holy spirit is the power of God, the son is (logically) God's son (John 3:16; Matthew 3:17). The Father is the One who created all things, even the One to whom Jesus was obedient (John 5:19; Hebrews 5:8).
Many will twist scriptures around to make them seem trinitarian.
Many quote John 1:1 to support the trinity despite the fact that a third person is not even mentioned there.
The teaching of a Trinity developed in Christendom sometime during the 3 and 4 centuries C.E. It was incorporated into "Christianity" by the Roman Emperor Constantine. Trinity-gods have been around for thousands of years:
Babylon: Ishtar, Sin, Shamesh (2000 B.C.)
Egypt: Horus, Osiris, Isis (2000 B.C.)
Palmyra: moon god, son god, Lord of the Heavens (1st century C.E.)
There have been several others such as in Kampuchea and India. All these various religions bear the markings of false religion, inluding the false doctrine in Christendom that God is made up of a Trinity. People who teach such things are sorely mistaken (Mark 12:29; Deuteronomy 6:4 These laws were given to Israel to protect them from teachings such as the trinity.)
2006-09-04 23:17:30 · answer #1 · answered by johnusmaximus1 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
FYI,
The New Encyclopadia Britannica says: Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Old Testament.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.
The Encyclopedia Americana states: The trinity is a deviation from the teachings of the early Christians.
So if someone thinks they have a verse that even hints of the trinity, they are thinking and teaching a devation of God's word.
Paul at Rom. 15:5,6 says we should have the same mental attitude that Jesus had, the we with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2006-09-07 17:35:23 · answer #2 · answered by TeeM 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
THE TRINITY CONCEPT IS DECEPTION AND GOD AND JESUS IS ONE ONLY IN THE WAY THEY THINK, THE PLAN FOR MANKIND. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS THE SON. GOD IS A FAMILY AND IS REPRODUCING HISSELF WITH THOSE WHO KEEP HIS LAWS.
It may first be noted that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (KJ) found in older translations at 1 John 5:7 are actually spurious additions to the original text. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—RS, NE, NAB.
Other evidence of its impersonal nature. Further evidence against the idea of personality as regards the holy spirit is the way it is used in association with other impersonal things, such as water and fire (Mt 3:11; Mr 1:8); and Christians are spoken of as being baptized “in holy spirit.” (Ac 1:5; 11:16) Persons are urged to become “filled with spirit” instead of with wine. (Eph 5:18) So, too, persons are spoken of as being ‘filled’ with it along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52); and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6. It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person. As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8. While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)
2006-09-05 06:22:38 · answer #3 · answered by His eyes are like flames 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
What is the Trinity?
The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I", and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God. There are three individual subsistences, or persons. The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence. The word "person" denotes individuality and self awareness. The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8). Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim. Trinitarianism is monotheistic by definition and those who claim it is polytheistic demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it really is.
The Trinity
God is three persons
Each person is divine
There is only one God.
Many theologians admit that the term "person" is not a perfect word to describe the three individual aspects/foci found in God. When we normally use the word person, we understand it to mean physical individuals who exist as separate beings from other individuals. But in God there are not three entities, nor three beings. God, is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence. God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistences that we call persons.
Each of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead.
Each of the three persons is not the other two persons.
Each of the three persons is related to the other two, but are distinct from them.
The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. But this does not mean that the concept is not taught there. The word "bible" is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Likewise, the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God. So, to say that the Trinity isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument.
2006-09-05 06:51:37 · answer #4 · answered by poorboychristian 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Matthew 3:16 & 17 shows that the Father, the Son and the Spirit of God are three separate beings.... but when you read 1John 5:7...this shows that all three are one.... Meaning that although they are separate beings, they are all in all the same.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
I hope this is what you are looking for.
2006-09-05 06:55:12 · answer #5 · answered by KeAhi 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
read the bible cover to cover, i guarrantee you there is no trinity mention in the bible. how come that there is 3 in 1 when there are more than 1 holy spirits. the fact of the matter is that the concept of trinity was only invented during the council of nicea 300 a.d. and the bible is already finish over 300 years ago.
2006-09-05 06:48:18 · answer #6 · answered by Jay Aka. ngerkday 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus said that He was returning to the Father and that He would send another (the Comforter - Holy Ghost).
I do not have a Bible on hand and I am not good at quoting scripture so I can not tell you where to look that saying up. Sorry.
2006-09-05 07:46:09 · answer #7 · answered by tim 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Christian scholars say that there isnt. Its roots are in the church which was influenced by roman and greek methology and the pagans.
2006-09-05 06:17:50 · answer #8 · answered by abdulaziiz 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
lets wait for the answers ............
2006-09-05 06:16:47 · answer #9 · answered by Suomi 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋