The universe didn't come by chance, I can bet a thousand bucks. can u refute it?

Question

Ok, so my last question asked this, but they ALL said waa waa that isn't evolution. My point? can evolution come without a beginning? I am saying the basics. I am going to ask again, how did the universe evolve? does that phrase it better???

Can you explain:
If the big bang created everything... what created the big bang? Was it made of matter or energy? Both if it is matter and if it is energy, it got there somehow.

What caused it to explode? nothing can move without something to move it, so what events led to the bang? and what came to that?

Whether the Big bang does or doesn't exist... how can there be no beginning? try to emagine the beginning... the big bang right? now, what came before that? something made an explosion or whatever it was that made us. how far back can human logic allow us to go?
The point? There must be a beginning, infinity didn't come before the bang.

Before you say 'But then if nothing can have always been, how was God?", God created reality and

God created reality and time itself. Time is a phisical measurement, God is the same when it all started as he will be tomorrow.

How can you be right?

I'll even recant christianity entirely if this can be proven wrong. I'll even seriously consider if you can simply explain purely from logic how it is possible.

I predict... most won't answer right, others will report me. please don't! I am just asking!

To crazy celt, I never said that it was the big bang, I am saying it is the best that you have and if you have something better, I'd be happy to listen.

To starblazer: Actually, if we evolved, then there is error in the bible. If the bible has error, it cannot be divinely inspired. If it isn't divinely inspired, it isn't true.

Answer 1

The big bang was not an explosion: the term "big bang" was invented by a man who was making fun of it.

Why'd it happen? The current thought on the matter is that a fluctuation in the higgs field caused it to release a lot of energy into spacetime, thus casuing it to rapidly expand.
I have no doubt you didn't understand a word of that, and to be honest, i'm not entirely sure as to how it works either. But you asked, and that's the answer.
Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_inflation

"There must be a beginning, infinity didn't come before the bang."

What makes you so sure? That's just an unjustified assumption on your part - you believe that, because you cannot imagine an infinite stretch of time preceding the begining of the universe as we know it, that it must not exist. Such thinking is erroneous and insular on your part.

"God created reality and time itself."

That's a meaningless statement. Something outside of/separate from reality is, by definition, "not real". It's easy to conjure up the image of god existing outside of space and time, but do you really understand what that means? That may not even be a relevent concept at all - there's nothing to suggest that anything other than our own universe exists.

"Time is a phisical measurement"

Time and space are byproducts of the gravitational field.
Again, as to what, exactly, that means, i cannot say. But it's the truth, and if you happen to understand tensor calculus, you might want to read about general relativity to get some clarification on it.

It's strange, because you're trying to debate physics using reason and evidence, but yet, you bring "god" into the discussion. That does not follow - any discussion that holds reason and evidence to be the most important aspects of an idea must not involve god, for god is not a concept borne of reason, and there is no evidence suggesting that a god exists.

There's no shame in saying that you don't know the answer to something. Isn't the universe a far more interesting place when you look for, and wait for, the real answers, rather than making up convenient ones?

Answer 2

First you make an assumption that the origins of the universe must make logical sense to a human being. As humans were developed through evolution to mentally cope with the ordinary happenings here on planet Earth, there is no a priori reason that the structure of the universe should be satisfying or even understandable to us.

Secondly, our knowledge is progressing every day, and it is a fallacy to simply attribute to a God all the things that we haven't figured out yet. Maybe in the future we will learn what caused the Big Bang.

Answer 3

Q1: Life evolved. Humans evolved. None of this disproves the existence of God.

Q2: What created the big bang (or all of the mass inside of it)? God, in my opinion. It had to come from somewhere, right?

Q3: Stars are always in a constant state of tension between the explosive force outward and the gravitational pull inward. The big bang happened when the outward force won; the same is true with stars when they supernova. Black holes are cases where the gravitational pull inward (really) wins.

Q4: Before the big bang, there might have been the big crunch that destroyed the last universe (possibly).

Answer 4

First of all, there needs to be a better definition of God...
God is not an old man sitting up in the clouds on a golden
throne of judgement watching like a hawk for the
misdeeds of mankind (or any other kind)...
God is the all-pervading consciousness, the
interlocking harmony in all creation, yet also
beyond creation. Through sincere spiritual
practices, one can reach that state... this is the
rich tradition of the saints and sages of India.
Someone who had the experience of God said:
"I saw the entire universe as a tiny bubble within Me..."

“Not knowing that you are the power behind the entire universe, not realizing that you are its very life force, the totality of all existing energy, you identify with your mind, with its different thoughts and feelings, and you say, ‘I am so and so - I am angry, thirsty, hungry, etc.’ You identify with the outside, not with the inside. Once you are identified with the inside, then there is no longer any inside or outside, because you have transcended both.

Answer 5

Just because you don't know the answer to a question doesn't mean you should make up an answer. As an example, if I asked you what makes a car go, and you didn't know the answer, would you say "There's a fairy in a hamster wheel under the hood?" No, if you didn't know the answer, you would say, "I don't know."

The problem is there are a whole lot of people who very much like the idea of fairies in hamster wheels that make cars go. Those people are very uncomfortable with the complexity of the internal combustion engine, and the simplicity of the idea that fairies make cars go makes them feel good. They're not comfortable with the fact that they can't understand the whole apparatus of the automobile, so they seek out a simpler solution, and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

But for those of us that understand even a little bit about how cars work, even if we don't know EVERYTHING about them, believing in fairies seems barbaric and sad.

Answer 6

You really need to separate evolution from the existence of the universe, as they have nothing to do with each other.

The big bang CAN NOT have been created. It is impossible. To say 'the big bang was created' is a contradiction, because TIME IS PART OF THE BIG BANG, and 'created' implies a time when it did not exist, i.e. time must have existed in the absence of time in order for the universe to have been created.

If you wish to simply keep exposing your ignorance and trailer park comprehension of philosophy, you're welcome to do so. The questions you are asking have been long ago answered. If you care to gain knowledge rather than arrogantly bask in ignorance, tone down the condescension a bit and I think you'll find people more than willing to help you.

Answer 7

It's a good, honest question with a catch can answer.
you can only expect theories or opinions as anyone truely attempting to answer your questions is only putting forth an opinion as you have. At this point science is unproven fact and religion is accepted theory of creation.
An answer you can give in support of creation would also receive an answer that for there to have been a God he must have either been created or evolved thu the process of evolution. Your bible says God forced a child upon a young maiden without her knowledge (rape?). His sons came down to earth and saw the maidens of earth and were smitten by them and mated them and had sons by them and there were gaints on earth in those days?here the God theory as" all powerful before and all powerful ever after gets a little sticky.
Something had to make God if he is real . it's that simple. there fore he God would be a product of evolution himself.
The very act of making God a male is a big clue. God could only be non gender. making God a male stinks of manking:):) doings.
If you look close you can see the reasonings of men of old uneducated times at work, and their attempt to force women into the domicile role they consider God gave them while making men superior.

If you beleive in history or beleive history than you have to accept the fact that religion is environmental(you are usually where you live and who with). it's simple enough.(the man who yeilded the largest sword usually ended up having his religion the one of the land).
jews came up with the one god idea when therew were undreds of gods in the area. christinas capitalized on it as did the muslims

Answer 8

The physical world is a mystery beyond man's knowledge.
The spiritual world is even more mysterious to us.
The Messengers of God have made explanations, but we grasped only a small portion of the reality. At least, with that small knowledge, the believers had some collective comprehension, so they could stick together and build various regional civilizations.
So let us turn to the Messenger of God for our age to get the true teachings about the establishment of a divine civilization throughout the globe.

Answer 9

Those are very good observations.
Here's some scriptual backing that says that "we should know better". It's pretty much the same as what you are saying. You look around and see that the universe exists, and you can see the miracle of creation, but people deny that it was created, but there is no other explanation for how things came into being, and how anything such as goodness can exist without a good creator?

Paul's Letter to the Romans
1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 1:19because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them. 1:20For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse. 1:21Because, knowing God, they didn't glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.

Answer 10

<<...what created the big bang?>>

Nobody knows, although many cosmologists are looking for an explanation.

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It was extremely hot and dense. Without an external force to contain it, anything that's extremely hot and dense is going to expand.

<<...how can there be no beginning?>>

Simple. Imagine a universe that has existed forever and will exist forever. Such a universe has no beginning.

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You're making the mistake of thinking that you can describe the universe using simplistic questions. You can't. Our language is limited in its ability to describe reality, which is why scientists usually need math to create such a description.

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