Evolution can be proven wrong, need proof?

Question

This question is not here to make you believe in God at the moment, this is to show you error in evolution.

Can you explain:
If the big bang created everything... what created the big bang? Was it made of matter or energy? Both if it is matter and if it is energy, it got there somehow.

What caused it to explode? nothing can move without something to move it, so what events led to the bang? and what came to that?

Whether the Big bang does or doesn't exist... how can there be no beginning? try to emagine the beginning... the big bang right? now, what came before that? something made an explosion or whatever it was that made us. how far back can human logic allow us to go?
The point? There must be a beginning, infinity didn't come before the bang.

Before you say 'But then if nothing can have always been, how was God?", God created reality and time itself. Time is a phisical measurement, God is the same when it all started as he will be tomorrow.

How can you be right?

I just KNEW people would try to fit through this. evolution cannot come to be without a beginning. This is the evolution of the universe. It's still from your beliefs.

First off, sorry I called it "evolution". Glad we could settle it.

Second, Do you people know anything?? I only see two people giving good explanations for it. I give them thumbs up. right or wrong.

Answer 1

First I'd like to commend you for entering into this subject without assuming an offensive or defensive stance. You did nothing to deserve the insults some of these answers are throwing at you.

Also, you are inquiring for yourself into what is probably the First Question: Where does all this come from?

Please keep it up. What you're exploring is an area that neither religion nor science has an answer for. But the question is probably worth far more than any answer. Answers silence questions. This question needs to be amplified and asked so much more.

Please don't be too eager to limit what you can understand to the teachings of either your own religion or the current theories of science. Curiosity, in itself, is a sacred quality of humanity.

Answer 2

Evolution is a theory within the field of Biology. The Big Bang is a theory within the field of Cosmology / Astrophysics. It's muddy thinking to merge them together.

Both of these theories require pretty advanced educations to understand them. There are quite a few books in both subjects written for "educated laymen", i.e. people with college educations or better, but who got their degrees in different fields. Of the two, I think it is easier to understand Evolution than the Big Bang. I also think Evolution provides real answers without leaving any big questions. The Inflationary Theory of the Big Bang does a pretty amazing job of describing what the first few seconds of the Big Bang was probably like, and from that theory predicts details about the cosmic microwave radiation that have been confirmed via recent measurements. However, it doesn't explain what actually caused the Big Bang to happen.

There are some proposed ideas for what caused the Big Bang. It is a common misconception that scientists think that there was nothing before the Big Bang. All that scientists say is that the conditions that existed before the Big Bang were such that no information will be available for us to observe now. One theory is that there have been many cycles of Big Bang followed by Big Crunch, i.e. an expansionary period followed by a contractionary period. Another theory is that our four dimensional spacetime is just a 4D membrane embedded in a higher dimensional space, and that the Big Bang happend when our membrane collided and bounced off another 4D membrane.

I am not arguing here that these proposed theories are likely to be correct. My only point is to show that science has explanations that could account for our universe having always existed.

My final point is that the stories in the Old Testament were written perhaps 2500 years ago, and clearly reflect the level of understanding of the world of the people living at the time. Their description of the universe is clearly wrong in a number of fundamental ways. I think their description of God *must* also be wrong. I simply can't believe that God would be so jealous and petty and spiteful, and create such a large number of absurd and immoral laws. Christianity is a huge improvement on the Old Testament, because Christ seems much more rational, and defined a new convenant that does away with most of the absurd/immoral laws. However, the New Testament is by no means perfect, and I think its clear that it too is just the work of mortal men from that time period.

Given the choice between the Bible and modern science, I'll take science, even if it doesn't provide answers to all of the deep philisophical questions.

Answer 3

There have been thousands of big bangs, with the universe condensing to a point called a singularity, simmering, exploding, and then the gravitational pull yanks everything back into a singularity. It is a natural process that is a necsessity, without it the universe would reach thermal equilibrium and suffer a heat death. Why could't it have happened infinitely? This is very much a possibility, ruling it out is ignorant and shows that you fear it is right. And this has nothing to do with evolution. Anyway, Hinduism is much closer to the truth than christianity, with their constant cycle of destruction and creation. Your logic is extremely faulty.

CrazyCelt: Interesting that you mention it, but black holes are actually small singularities, tiny points of mass and energy so massive that they warp the very fabric of space-time. Stuff that is sucked in is added to the singularity, and they are supposed to play a crucial role in universal collapse. The only matter that vanishes is the stuff that enters a black hole with a singularity shaped like a ring, a strange occurance caused by the collapse of a rapidly spinning star. Stuff that passes through the center simply vanishes, supposedly into another universe or out of a "White Hole" somewhere else.

Answer 4

i agree with you that there is something at work behind the big bang, but i dont see how it proves evolution wrong. evolution is a process observed in nature as it develops in complexity. the explosion, if it came of something, be it matter or another form of energy, could have been either caused by something else or the explosion could have been a part of the developing process of whatever it came from. infinity is infinity. the word literally means something that has no beginning and no end, so if infinity is to be infinity then no beginning is possible. there could have been a whole other universe system before the big bang from which our system hypothetically came from, for example. in observing nature you can see that the end of some life is the beginning of other life. the bacteria forming inside a dead body for example. our beginning could have been something elses end, which again brings evolution back into the picture. if there is infinity and evolution is a part of it then god must be this infinity, according to most religions, which praise that god is infinite, before time itself, beyond time and so on. if this is true then god is in fact life itself, infinite, alive before us, alive after we die. not a being that created all being, but rather being itself. the infinite being of which we are all a part. this shows how god and evolution can both be true.

as for the additional details i didnt see at first, maybe instead of evolution, transmutation is the nature of the infinity which god is described as being. that is, the changing of one form of life into another. evolution then is just a process of the particular changing of one form of life into another which is our universe and its characteristics. im not saying this answer is true or not, what i am trying to show is that there are other possible alternatives other than the concept of evolution and the concept of a god-being coming up with the whole thing

Answer 5

1. The big bang can not have been created, as that implies the existence of time before the existence of time.

2. The big bang is not an explosion, it is an expansion of space that has been happening for eternity from the perspective of being inside it

3. Your or my incredulity is not an argument in favor of gods

4. There is nothing that logically prevents an actual infinity. This has been proven with transfinite math.

Now with that out of the way, nothing you said had anything at all to do with evolution or god.

Answer 6

Actually, the error is on your part. Evolution is strictly a biological science. It has nothing whatsoever to do with or to say about the origins of the universe or the world. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the origins of life. Nor is evolution just an 'idea'... it provides an explanatory framework for the OBSERVED FACT that the genetic makeup of populations of organisms changes, over time.

If you want know what the current scientific thinking is on the origins of life, go look up 'abiogenesis'.

If you are interested, here is a good starting point to learn about the universe...

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

... and here is a good place to start with evolution...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

and...

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

Just a note about your 'bible' belief... by that assertion, you are making a statement that the myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions of a tribe of ignorant, peripatetic Bronze Age goat herders provides for a more coherent understanding of life and the universe than does modern science. Are you sure you want to stick with that?

The foolishness that serves you as a substitute for logic and reason is a logical fallacy (a flaw in thinking) known as the "Argument From Incredulity"... which is a sub-category of the "Argumentum ad Ignorantiam" (Argument From Ignorance). It goes something like this: "I can't conceive of how this might have come to be; therefore, God did it."

That does not point to a limitation of nature... rather, it exemplifies a limitation of knowledge or intellect. Also, it is intellectually dishonest, since it does not ACKNOWLEDGE the limitation of knowledge or intellect... it merely invokes the fanciful idea of a supernatural creator-entity to manifest the ILLUSION that cognitive dissonance has been resolved. It substitutes 'faith' for fact, and 'belief' for knowledge... but neither faith nor belief are sufficient to sustain reason... they are only sufficient to sustain willful ignorance.

That is the epitome of self-delusion.

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." ~ Robert M. Pirsig

Answer 7

NO ONE EVER SAID THAT THE BIG BANG IS THE ABSOLUTE BEGINNING. THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, BUT NOT KNOWING THE ANSWER DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS DEVINE ORIGINS. WE DIDN'T KNOW THE EARTH WAS ROUND FOR THE LONGEST TIME EITHER, DON'T FORGET AND THAT DIDN'T TURN OUT THE LEAST BIT DEVINE. WE DO KNOW THAT ENERGY ISN'T DESTROYED, IT CAN ONLY CHANGE FORM, SO WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE MATTER SUCKED IN BY A BLACK HOLE? IT HAS TO GO SOME WHERE RIGHT, SO MAYBE THE BIG BANG IS NOTHING MORE THAN A COSMIC BELCH OF ENERGY, FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF A BLACK HOLE AND PRESTO, ANOTHER UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE. IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW FOR SURE AND NOT KNOWING DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOD, WE JUST HAVEN'T REACHED THAT LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING OF OUR UNIVERSE YET.

Answer 8

what to assert approximately macro,or micro evolution. i be responsive to that cutting-element technology can manage dna, Eugenics has been around for greater beneficial than a a hundred years, actually for the checklist, it is declared that scientists have found out the thank you to make adult adult males Effeminate, ITs not God, its guy and chemical poisoning. that mentioned the # a million data against the fossil checklist and earth layers that are defined via age and intensity is the Poly-stratus fossils that can't 1000 years and a million years old on the comparable time additionally, i'm a witness of jesus christ, I even have actually considered the honour of jesus and an angel looked in my mattress room. the prood of the life of God is practially the main suitable data against evolution using fact the e book of genessis planly says God created Adam from the airborne dirt and dirt,(dirt) of the earth. however the bible doesnt end there, it additionally defines all and sundry as a Spirit, that existed in the previous we any each and every person is born

Answer 9

Not to nitpick, but the Big Bang is completely unrelated to evolution.

You can look it up.

But whatever, since you made no arguments against evolution I will assume you take evolution to be a scientific theory (like the theory of gravity) and only have a problem with the Big Bang itself. Understandable you might since all the evidence is not yet in (and may never be).

Answer 10

Wow! I see it all so clearly now! The fact that there are aspects of the theories that we don't fully understand yet means that they are totally false!! You're right!! You're logic is flawless!! Any phenomenon that can't fully be explained by humans is undeniable proof for God's existence!!

You realize you creationists are no different than Egyptians that couldn't understand how the sun moved across the sky so they figured it was a giant invisible dung beetle rolling it like a ball of turds. Boy we sure are lucky than some crazy person in history had the audacity to say, "Maybe theres a logical explanation for it?" I know, we all are out of our minds.