to loving father?
How could he have changed, if he was already perfect?
2006-09-04 11:46:09 · 28 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
kt, on his own admission, god killed 2,270,362 people in the old testament, not counting the ones at Sodom & Gomorrah, the flood, and the first born of Egypt. If that's not cold-blooded killing, what is? In the new testament, he only killed 3 people, it could have happened to anyone. Big difference, huh?
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html
2006-09-04 14:23:47 · update #1
Stop trying to be a divisive putz. Your little knowledge makes you slightly dangerous. You're no match for anyone with a brain, however. Go play at Kiddie-Land where you'll be much more dangerous.
2006-09-04 11:53:52 · answer #1 · answered by Johnny P 4 · 2⤊ 2⤋
What makes you think he did?
In the Old Testament, there was the Law, which no human could live up to. The Hebrew people were used several times to punish the sinfulness of other peoples several times. But if you look carefully, God always gave people mercy. In every instance in the Old Testament, God told people, "do this or this will happen". Almost every time, the people did not listen and God did what he said he would do. Also note that God even spared non-Hebrews, as in the case of Nineveh.
Fast forward to the New Testament. Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews have been waiting for. He is the embodiment of the promises given to the human race throughout the Old Testament. There is also a lot of blood that flows, in particular in the Revelation of John which many believe refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
God is perfect, and he did not change. If you wish to discuss particular instances, please feel free to bring them up or even just email me. I'll respond.
2006-09-04 12:05:28 · answer #2 · answered by Tim 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
nope
what you see in the difference is not God changing, but the mercies of God being MORE CLEAR in the new and God workign more radically on the human heart in the new changing it in a more obvious way, it is the human heart that is softer in the New Testament not God's heart which is the same
In the Old Testament God commanded people to LOVE MERCY and when Jesus said LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF... surprize surprise!!!... He was quoting Leviticus
The position you are espousing is called Marcionism and you sir may rightly be called a Marcion (pronounced Martian). Marcion wrongly thought, the god of the old testament is a waring god and the new is more loving.
So no, God did not change. A shallow read might lead you wrongly to that conclusion
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and relects the character of God exactly. God the father and God the son are as merciful and just and faithful as eachother.
2006-09-04 11:53:34 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
It has to do with Sin.
It always does.
Before, there was only the temple, and the sacrifices in the temple for people to atone for their sins.
Or, another way of looking at it, people have to say sorry, in a very real and physical manner.
Post the Nazarene, He was the final sacrifice, now all the others are no longer needed.
If you're wondering about all of the tribes that the Hebrews were ordered to exterminate, a bit on the bloodthirsty side, but the Son is the one who can deal with the sinners, YHVH has alot less tolerance.
If you go by the archaeological record, that isn't noised around too much, but many of the excavations around the old temples, have found numerous mass graves of children and infants.
So while YHVH was demanding the sacrifice of perfect lambs and doves, the other religions were killing something a bit more...horrible.
Which also thinking bout Jesus and his view of folks who hurt children... Better to tie a Millstone around his neck and throw themselves into the deepest part of the ocean than face Me, might explain some of the orders from YHVH.
2006-09-04 11:58:24 · answer #4 · answered by Hatir Ba Loon 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Jesus! When Jesus came to earth he was also here to give God a better understanding of humans. Jesus felt pain, digust, hurt anguish all the other feeling we have as humans! Jesus built the bridge for us back to God! We were doing so much wrong and God was upset. In the old testament he was taking alot of people out but after Jesus came it changed a bit! he was always a loving father but he does both roles he still is like a parent! I don't think God changed at all though! God can only give us how much we can take! God knows our limits. God killing yo is not the worse thing He could do! It the worst hting we can do to ourselves and each other! Thats just how I kinda see it! I could be wrong but thats what i got From Bible study!
2006-09-04 11:59:58 · answer #5 · answered by crystal8345 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
God hasn't changed. He is the same in the OT as He is in the NT. He cannot overlook sin. People who think that God should only be a God of love has a distorted view of Him. God is love AND He is perfectly just. God was a loving father in the OT as He is today. He loves us so much, He sent His only Son to us to take our punishment and die for our rebellion. God's wrath on sin and rebellion will not change because justice must be satisfied. Those who do not accept and receive Jesus' protection, is subject to that punishment and wrath.
God's love and justice and is displayed from Genesis to Revelation.
If you think the OT was bad in the way of blood shed, read the Book of Revelation in the NT.
2006-09-04 12:18:33 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
God was always a loving Father. That's why He made Adam & Eve to begin with, they were His kids. But, He is the ruler of the whole universe, and that comes with a great deal of responsibility. When He gives a commandment, it HAS to be followed. Why? Because the balance and order of the entire creation depends upon it. Just look at the effect that eating a peice of fruit has had on this planet. The earth has gone completely crazy, because they disobeyed Him and shifted the balance. He has to judge sin (disobedience). It's His responsibility. If He made an exception for them, He would have to make an exception for everyone, and you can't have an ordered, balanced existence with everything doing whatever, willy-nilly. So there HAD to be a judgement passed upon mankind for sin. Because He loves us so much, He sent His Son Jesus to take our place in judgment - to set us free. Also, because of His sacrifice, we can come into contact with God now, and experience the reality of His presence. That is for believers only, and it is awesome!
Anyhow, the perception of Him being a "cold-blooded killer" in the OT comes from the fact that He had to act many times to destroy evil people that would have thwarted His plan for redeeming mankind. He didn't have many options as to how to deal with them back then, seeing that the Jewish people alone had access to God, and they only had protection from the wrath of God when they were walking in strict obedience to His rules. Sinful man cannot come into the Holy presence of the living God, anymore than a mosquito can enter into a bug-light without getting zapped. Sin is the antithesis of holiness (which by definition is separateness from sin), it's like trying to bring matter and anti-matter together. It produces a violent result. It is the nature of God, that He is absolute perfect love, but at the same time He is absolute complete moral perfection and holiness. When we crossed the line back in the Garden from perfection to a life of sin, we essentially became separated from Him and He could not fix us without a perfect sacrifice. That's why He sent Jesus Christ. He paid the highest price imagineable to fix our screw up.
So to answer your question, He never changed. He was the same the whole time. But He came and rescued us from our mistake. Now that He has made a way for us, it is our individual choice whether or not to receive/accept it.
2006-09-04 12:19:04 · answer #7 · answered by firebyknight 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
God has always been the same. He is both just and merciful. The OT is basically God working through time to bring Christ into the world. There is a thread of redemption and salvation running through the entire Old Testament. Remember that JEsus said he came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. In the OT God used the law to show Israel his mercy. Basically Israel was supposed to be God's prototypical nation. They then were to take God to the rest of the world. They were his light. The OT shows God continually trying to mold Israel. At times he punishes them like a parent, but he always has mercy on them and never gives up totally on them. Then with the coming of Christ we see that he has kept Israel alive in order to carry true salvation into the world in the form of Christ. Basically the OT shows that the law cannot be kept by man, and so God came in the form of man and kept the law and became a perfect sacrifice in order to pay the penalty for man and still spare man and have mercy on man and restore mankind to the relationship that God had with man in the Garden of Eden. So God had mercy on man, but he had to go through the Cross experience in order to satisfy his requirement for being just as well.
2006-09-04 11:56:43 · answer #8 · answered by mgreenpa 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
there grew to become into no substitute in God from the old to the hot testomony. God interior the old testomony professed love, and Jesus professed curses and judgment interior the hot testomony. Matthew 11:23 and you, Capernaum, will you be lifted as much as the skies? No, you will pass right down to the depths. If the miracles that have been accomplished in you have been accomplished in Sodom, it would have remained to at present. ( definite this is acceptable, even Sodom - that city my brethren frequently declare that homosexuality is a lot worse than what they do.)
2016-10-01 07:46:04 · answer #9 · answered by eilermann 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I guess I don't understand where you get the idea that God was a cold blooded killer in the old testament?
God is a constant, He never changes. If you could please clarify my confusion about your question, I would be happy to add more to this if I can.
2006-09-04 11:49:33 · answer #10 · answered by ktjokt 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
he has never changed and is always constant.
people always talk about the Loving father, merciful God etc.. yet they forget that he is also Holy, and divine.
You are trying to put him into human terms and this can not be done. Our conciousness of right and wrong and the Universal truths are very limited compared to his understanding. So what you are doing by asking this, is questioning his will when you dont even begin to have the facilities to do so.
2006-09-04 11:53:31 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋