Would an "infinitely" old universe mean there was no creator?

Question

What if the universe never "began", we only live in the most recent life of the universe, since the big bang. (Think about this, what if the big bang was really the end of the previous universe) Everything from galaxies, stars, planet and life all share a common thread. We are born, we live and we die. Then why couldn't the Universe do this as well? In an endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. So if there was no actually beginning of this cycle, then where does God fit in. He doesn't have anything to do.

Or did we put God there? Humans always tend to humanize things to make them easier to understand.

If you say that the creator was before that, then you MUST ask the question...who created the creator?

In other words, why does there have to be a creator?

Answer 1

""Would an "infinitely" old universe mean there was no creator?""

Nope....... The GOD invented TIME............. HE was, even before that .

Answer 2

All an infinite perpetual cycle of births and deaths of the universe would show is that there is no need for a creator. This would do nothing to prove or disprove the existence of God. In fact, there are a number of other reasons to believe that God exists without invoking the cosmological argument for the existence of God.

One that I find particularly interesting is the moral argument for the existence of God. If God didn't exist, then human beings are essentially the culmination of years of unguided random events--a cosmological accident. If this were true, then all that we know (love, hate, justice, reason, beauty, etc.) are all just cosmological accidents too and really don't have any intrinsic value outside the realm of nature. We as humans know intuitively that this is not true. It only seems logical that such things come from some other source that isn't natural or part of the natural realm, and that would be the supernatural realm, which is where God exists.

Following your last statement, saying that we as humans humanize things to make them easier to understand would actually strengthen the arguments for the existence of God. Scientist and theologians alike agree that the simplest explanation is usually the best, and if God is a simpler explanation for origin than a cosmological accident, then by all means we should accept it and embrace it. But some people don't like to do this, because it invokes God, and with that comes all the baggage of religion.

If one states that the universe always existed, then only seems fair that another can state that the universe was created and that God always existed. It would be inconsistent for someone to allow for the universe to exist eternally without letting God exist eternally. Either way though, that which is eternal (infinite) is a priori. This means that it is self evident, and doesn't need proof to exist. Things that are finite are generally defined based on their relations to other things. For example, the number 1 is defined based on its value relative to number 2 and 0. It can be represented by a single object. This cannot be done with infinite things. Infinity has no greater than it, is always equal to itself, and when added to itself is always itself. Such things don't change, so they are axioms. Axioms are the basis for all other knowledge.

Answer 3

The Creator is ' timeless '. In The Bible it is very clearly said that God created the Heaven and the Earth in 6 days and that on the 7th day he rested. So now, since Science tells us that the whole universe is " infinitely " old, then accordingly it should mean that the seven days in Gods time is much more time than anyone ever ( any human being ) could even fathom.

If ' infinite ' is something that is not easy to measure then there can be no concept of 7 days. The 7 days in ' Infinity ' could be any amount of immeasurable time. This should mean that these 7 days can be eons and eons.

This sits perfectly well with Darwin's theory of Evolution that it took so much time for man to evolve from the basic primordial ooze.

Answer 4

Everything that has a beginning and an end need a creator. That which is eternal does not. I believe that God created the universe we live in that will fall away one day, and that the reality He occupies is the eternal one. But that is all down to personal belief, and there will never be irrefutable evidence for or against any one belief.

Answer 5

Your thinking is too linear. The old "chicken and the egg" questions for which came first. Most religions believe the Creator is all things, not just the one who made them. If you think this way, the universe is God and God is the universe. The endless cycle of life and death throughout all of the vastness that is 'everything' is part of God as much as He is a part of the cycle.

Thinking of God in terms of a simple living, human-like entity is easier for use to wrap our minds around. It boggles my mind to think from infinite random events, that we came to exist. All through our existance we are moving closer to chaos.

Answer 6

In physics, time and space are combined into something called spacetime, whereas our universe is composed of the three physical dimensions and a fourth dimension of time. Although spacetime is infinite, the universe itself had a begining and is therefor not infinite. There is proof that the universe had a begining, and that it has been expanding since the begining.

"Almost all recent discussions of the origin of the universe are based on the Big Bang theory,” notes Francis Crick. Jastrow refers to this cosmic “explosion” as “literally the moment of creation.” But, as astrophysicist John Gribbin admitted in New Scientist, though scientists “claim, by and large, to be able to describe in great detail” what happened after this “moment,” what brought about “the instant of creation remains a mystery.” And, he mused, “maybe God did make it, after all.”

However, most scientists are not willing to attribute this “instant” to God. Hence, the explosion usually is said to have been chaotic, like the explosion of a nuclear bomb. But does this type of explosion result in better organization? Do the bombs that fall on cities in wartime produce superbly designed buildings, streets and signs with traffic laws? On the contrary, such explosions cause wreckage, disorder, chaos, disintegration. And when the explosive device is nuclear the disorganization is total, as experienced by the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945

Answer 7

It makes a lot more sense to me that God is infinitely old, and the universe is not. I don't even think an infinitely old universe would prove that God didn't exist, but I do see your point... however, since there's really no proof the universe IS infinitely old, I'm not certain how the question is relevant. Either belief takes some measure of faith.

Answer 8

There is a Creator. If you truly have an open mind and it makes a difference to you, then find a book titled Oahspe and study it about 900 pages.

Answer 9

If the earth requires a creator, Then the creator requires a creator, Who then requires a creator.

If the creator always has been, Then the earth by that same logic could always have been.

Answer 10

Not if the creator existed even before it.