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John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

2006-09-03 13:30:39 · 14 answers · asked by Bimpster 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Now you have both the words Lord and God in the same declaration. Any Muslim want to refute this one?

2006-09-03 13:31:18 · update #1

14 answers

And the devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak; for they knew that he was Christ." (Luke 4:11)

Jesus pbuh clearly denied by calling him 'Son of God'. Muslims too believe that he was the Messiah translated Christ.

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if you claim that in place Jesus denied of being call as "son of God' ,, and in other place,, he accepted as being call God,, then you have a dilemma

2006-09-03 13:38:28 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

It is often claimed that since Thomas referred to Jesus as "My God, my Lord (John 20:28)," that Jesus was God. An ignorance of the context of the verse and of Christian doctrine prompts this claim. The context of the verse talks about an unbelieving Thomas being surprised when Jesus offers him evidence.
The exclamation, "My God," on his part was just astonishment. We use such exclamations everyday while talking to people. This doesn't mean that the person we are talking to is God. For example, I see John cutting his wrist with a Rambo knife. I say: "My God, John what are you doing?" Do I mean that John is God? Of course not. Similar is the use of the expression by Thomas. If you go into Jewish or Muslim societies even today, you'll hear people exclaim "My God, my Lord," at every situation which surprises them or causes them anguish or is astonishing. In the verse above Thomas says: "My God, my Lord." He was not claiming that Jesus was his (1) God and (2) Lord. If he did then the church and the disciples should have stamped him as a heretic right there and then. Because claiming that Jesus is Lord and God is a violation of Christian doctrine, which asserts that there is One God, the Father and One Lord, Jesus. Jesus can't be God and Lord. "...yet for us there is but one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ ...(I Corinthians 8:6)". Believing the above (i.e Jesus is Lord and God) would leave a person with unorthodox doctrine branded by the church as Sabellianism, Patripassianism, Monarchianism.

2006-09-03 20:46:06 · answer #2 · answered by Timurlenk C 2 · 0 0

I may not be Muslim, however, this is from a piece of paper that was written 2 thousand years ago. Found in a pot, and then brought to light. The odds that these writings are exact manuscripts, word for word, and that they weren't taken out of context (eg. this was a play to be performed, or so on or so forth) is a bit of a stretch. And THEN with the infinite wisdom that is man (which is fallable) they form a group to decide exactly which papers were truely inspired by God, because of course, they can tell, and which ones were just written by Joe Schmoe from Kokomo. And this decision comes well over 500 years AFTER Jesus was crucified.

Jesus may not have corrected Thomas in the passage that you quoted, however, in a Court of Law, this evidence is inadmissable.

Truth is, all faiths are just that faith. There is no solid evidence one way or the other, so there's no use arguing over it.

2006-09-03 20:42:43 · answer #3 · answered by hfmgr06 4 · 0 0

Jesus is 100% man, and 100% God.

By the way my friend, any Muslim can easily 'refute' this since they don't believe that the New Tesatment is the word of God because they think it has changed.

Their idea of Injil (New Testament) is 'autobiography' of Jesus instead of the 'biography' that we currently have. Their ideaology is that there are 4 heavenly books namely, Torah which was revealed to Moses, Zabur (Psalms) revealed to David, Injil (N.T.) to Jesus and Quran to Mohammed.

So when they read the New Testament and it doesn't fit their concept of a revealed book, they immediately say, Oh the Bible has changed and once they say that, all its credibility is gone as well.

Anyhow, I'll stop now. Have a nice day.

2006-09-03 20:49:58 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You're argument is not very strong.
If someone said to you "you're a nice person" but you really aren't, you still probably wouldn't tell them otherwise. You'd accept the compliment and move on.
While calling someone a God is a little more over the top, did you ever think Jesus just accepted the compliment and then moved on, regardless of whether it was true or not?

P.S. I'm not a Muslim. Also, why are singling out Muslims? You should address this to Jews just as much as Muslims (I'm not Jewish either- I'm catholic).

2006-09-03 20:38:56 · answer #5 · answered by dpfw16 3 · 0 0

You have a very very good point here, but no matter how good, people will find every crack and keyhole to slip through to refuse it, even to the point of more blasphemy and in a few cases, changing their views a little to keep most of what they have.

If your bible has error, then the author of that book was not instructed by God AT ALL. therefore, despite the fact that all scripture in the bible is God breathed, refusing a single passage means refusing the whole prophet/apostle. So if you are ignorant, you can take out a book or two, but what do you do when you realize that almost everything said is constantly repeated? Now most of the whole new testament is ruined.

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Taimur also as an extremely excellent point.

2006-09-03 20:43:23 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

This is an eastern expression. Moses was called god in the old testament.

Even Jesus Christ said this phrase: "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

Thomas didn't say - "Jesus I think that you are your Father - God"

2006-09-03 20:50:07 · answer #7 · answered by stybaj 2 · 0 0

Jesus is the son of God. Muslims need to repent and accept Jesus.

2006-09-03 20:38:05 · answer #8 · answered by Josh S 7 · 1 1

John is not part of the synoptic gospels. It is the youngest and the most unreliable of all 4. It is basically a work of complete fiction and this is one of the most notoriousky untruthful bits, which is why it is not in any other gospels.

2006-09-03 20:34:31 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

See, even Christian ask you back. How can you make Muslim believe Jesus is God? Not mention in Quran. But somehow in bible may be it is. But which bible and version? Duh..

2006-09-03 20:43:22 · answer #10 · answered by Khairitz 2 · 0 0

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