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K, this may be hard to understand at first but just try to figure it out :) .

OK, god has to exist! It's TRUE! But he also doesn't exist! Its TRUE! But he has to exist only because he doesn't have to, so basically he exists in a state of non-existance that exists only because it doesn't have to...but when does he exist in this state of non-existance that exists because it doesn't have to occur? I'm guessing some present form of the past from the future...So my final conclusion is that god exists in a non-existant form only because he has to not have to in some present form of the past from the future that basically exists in alternate existance that doesn't exist only because it does! There you GO!

That's about as final of a conclusion as were ever gonna come to in this life ;) ...

2006-09-03 09:05:45 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

4 times and you don't understand?? TRY HARDER!

2006-09-03 09:10:06 · update #1

19 answers

Lol, ok. I already knew that he exists. Why did you go and made it harder to believe?

2006-09-03 09:16:41 · answer #1 · answered by Earthling 7 · 3 1

Nonsense. It does not follow. I will try to be brief regarding your proof.

First, there are two belief systems: Reveal and scientific. Simply put: God reveal, man observes. I will start belief with revelation and then science.

Assuming the source of revelation is the [Christian] bible, you will find no proof that God exists, it is assumed. It is the believer assumption beginning with "God created the heavens and the earth", "God is spirit", "God name is YWHW which means I am who am", etc. This is telling you who God is by attributes. You either to belief it or you don’t. Hence there is no proof in this belief system.

Now to the scientific explanation. There is none. Why? Science (to know) depends on the scientific method: A set of theories that explain facts. A fact is an observation by men (note plural) independent of location. For you to prove anything, you must have facts about God, observations made by men independent of location. Where are your facts? How can you possibly observe something that created very thing your can observed. Simple put, the proof of God existence or nonexistence is beyond the scope of science: What we can observe, what we can know using observation.

Hence no proof.

One last comment: A philosophical argument uses "Can God (who is all powerful) created a rock He can not lift?” This means that God is not all-powerful because either he cannot create the rock or he cannot lift it. Why do people always tried to prove belief?

2006-09-03 09:42:06 · answer #2 · answered by J. 7 · 1 1

Ok then, imagine all the christians on this site do not believe in a god, but in a beer called 'Paulaner Schwarzbeer ' - a mythologically good beer that's served somewhere in Germany and is apparently better than Guinness. Then let us let loose your theory on this. Let's call it PS for short, translate and elaborate on it so we can put in perspective.

PS has to exist, really, but also truthfully it does not. PS only exists because it doesn't have to, perhaps because most can enjoy Guinness and be done with it. So basically, this particular beer is real, because it exists in a state of non-existance that itself only exists because it doesn't have to. A state of non-existance then, brought on by a general satisfaction with Guinness. Paulaner only exists because people enjoy a draught of Guinness, and because people drink Guinness, why should this alternative beer exist? I mean, it's German, how could it compete with Guinness anyway? But when does Paulaner Schwarz exist then.. I'm guessing it's some present form of the past from the future. To clarify that: a present form could be you in a German Beergarten, like so many Germans have drank their beers in the past, but in the UK there aren't many Beergartens yet so us Brits could call that a future tense. Are you still with me, enjoying your historical beer in a futuristic bar at present? Good. So my final conclusion is that this Paulaner exists in a non-existant form only because it does not have to, in some present form of the past from the future that basically exists in alternate existance that doesn't exist only because it does! There you go! that's about as final a conclusion as we're ever going to come to in this life..

Except, you could ask any German about this mythical beer and they would look puzzled but intrigued. In the established UK Beergartens it would not be on the menu and when you write an e-mail to the brewery itself, it will deny ever having known of this beer. So perhaps it does not exist, nevermind how hard you'd like it to. Wouldn't it just be heaven if the same guys who produce a wonderful blonde beer could make a black to beat Guinness too? What would it taste like? Or what would it not taste like?!

It's the same when you ask any christian about this mythical concept of 'god', they would all have a different story but would all be intrigued. In the existing churches they could not define god in any other way than 'someone who requires faith' and of you would fold your hands together and pray to the brewery - I mean Jesus - to lead you on the path to find god, you would get a bullshite answer. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a god, what would he be like? What would he not be like?

But I salute my beer to you mate, and urge you to drink crap instead of regurgitating it like this ;o)

2006-09-03 09:32:59 · answer #3 · answered by McAtterie 6 · 1 0

No this is not the final conclusion. When you meet him for yourself I guarantee you will not be playing with the holy things of God. You cannot figure God out no matter how hard you try. Scholars have been doing this for a decade and always fails. I will leave you with this one: God says tell them that I am that I am.
For real dude God do exist.

2006-09-03 09:11:43 · answer #4 · answered by JoJoBa 6 · 0 1

Sorry, but that sounds like pot speak.

Ummm... If I'm reading your point right I get: There's no reason for humans to create god, therefore the fact that many people believe in him proves he exists? You can counteract that argument though by saying that people have to create something larger than themselves to give themselves a sense of security.

2006-09-03 09:10:30 · answer #5 · answered by Devil'sadvocate 3 · 0 0

I exist because I think I exist. But I also don't exist because I think I don't exist. Therefore I exist in a state of non-existence. Think about that. I exist... in a state of non-existence. What does that mean, you ask? That doesn't make sense, you say? Of course it doesn't make sense.

2006-09-03 09:09:54 · answer #6 · answered by Landon H 2 · 1 0

Wow, I knew Christianity became a faith based 'faith' yet I see now the way you have proved that to me. case in point, who might have recorded the story of Noah's Arc? I heard it slow in the past that portion of it became stumbled on, yet I by no ability had to be certain it for loss of interest, for i wanted no evidence. and then I have been given hung up on seeing evidence (no longer wanting to) and how I didnt want that to pollute my faith. asserting God is Love, and lovelessness is gazing 1M human beings die.i do no longer understand if God grieves approximately this, yet i'm specific he does. in case you opt to place it this sort, we've been given a 2nd risk with the story of Noah's Arc and we tousled back. We had each little thing we would have liked to outlive the earth and back we blew it. we are as a result to blame, to blame for one yet another. Thats what i think of, yet I dont understand what God thinks. in case you will not settle for basic solutions from me approximately particular and straightforward issues that God did in my existence, then you definitely are in basic terms unwilling, hiding interior the excuse of recorded information. you have already set up the primary to your evidence that the Bible is fiction. we could say, rigged the gig. i'm no longer worried that i won't be able to supply you a rfile and or teach that there is Godlessness in 1M ravenous. I purely understand by ability of religion this:if and while God is waiting and if he's so vulnerable he might teach you the handwriting on the wall. i'm going to provide help to realize what, in case you bypass outdoors and breath out the words "tree develop at my ft" and a tree grows, you could properly be directly to a minimum of a few thing. So, that's my undertaking for you. Make a tree develop at your ft. Then we will communicate, yet...i'm going to might desire to be certain you do it. Deal!

2016-11-06 08:43:11 · answer #7 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

It makes perfect sense if you believe it does. Existing in a state of non-exsistence. Classic. So my question is... do you believe in "god"? Because, to me, it sounds like you don't take a stand you just say that if god does exist then you believe and if he doesn't then you don't believe...

2006-09-03 09:47:41 · answer #8 · answered by Reese 1 · 0 1

Whoaaa, this question left me spinning. "He exists in a state of non-existance that exists only because it doesn't have to." Just trying to figure one sentence out leaves me swirling... lol.

2006-09-03 09:15:20 · answer #9 · answered by musicrazy 4 · 1 0

Nothing exists unless you're acknowledging its existence.

2006-09-03 09:10:49 · answer #10 · answered by angk 6 · 0 0

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