do you think Australia have got it right they have said to the Islamic clerics?

Question

if you want to stay in our country thay must abide by the law of the land not islamic law if not leave ( hear hear) if only our british goverment had said the same why is the british goverment sooo scared also racism works two ways

Answer 1

Here are Peter Costello's comments from last year:

"If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," he said.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that that is false.

"There's only one law in Australia - it's the law that's made by the parliament of Australia and enforced by our courts. There is no second law."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/radicals-who-prefer-islamic-law-not-welcome-costello/2005/08/24/1124562871162.html
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Recently John Howard said that immigrants should learn English as well. Here are his comments:

Mr Howard said during a talkback radio discussion yesterday: "There is a section, a small section of the Islamic population, and I say a small section ... which is very resistant to integration.

"Fully integrating means accepting Australian values, it means learning as rapidly as you can the English language if you don't already speak it.

"And it means understanding that in certain areas, such as the equality of men and women ... people who come from societies where women are treated in an inferior fashion have got to learn very quickly that that is not the case in Australia."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20322022-2702,00.html

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Let me guess, muslims were offended. What doesn't offend these people? Islam should be called the religion of the offended and seething.
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Question: What RACE is Islam?
Answer: Islam is not a RACE.
Follow up question: So why are critics of Islam labeled racist?

Answer 2

No honor killing at all in my country. You don't have the right here. If you want to do it then stay in a country who allows it. This is not an issue of religion it is an issue of the law of the land.

I know that while I am in Japan I need to follow Japanese law. Break laws at your own risk but be prepared for the consequences. Other wise your just a disruptive force that needs to be squashed.

The equivalent would be live someone from the Klan killing another ethnic person and trying this reason in court. "I am in the Klan my beliefs require me to do this in order to stay true to them." Not going to work buddy not even when you drap a religion over it.

You came here so adapt. Follow the law of the land. Or stay were your ways are the law of the land.

Answer 3

Unfortunately many of those who defend the right of a country to have and enforce its own laws and customs are in fact raving racists who actually fear and loath anyone different from them (just read what many hate filled Americans racists write about the Mexican people).

This permits the issue to get fogged over.

It should simply be the point of whether or not a nation's laws should take precedence over the religious laws . The answer is obvious. If you permit each religion to enforce its own religion codes and laws when these conflict with the secular laws of the nation, you have anarchy and social disintegration. (This has been well proven 1000 times through history and is NOT a point of argument!)

The answer is simple and I see no cause for anyone to complain. "These are the rules of the game here in Australia (or Britain, Canada, Mexico where ever....) and if you chose NOT to play by these rules, we'd all appreciate it, if you looked for another spot whose rules you are more comfortable with..."

This in no way could possibly be construed as "discriminatory," "racist" or "intolerant," by any rational or sane person.

(I totally agree with some of the comments, that a nation which refuses to either make the rules clear, make clear rules or fails to enforce those "rules" in order to "pander" to ANY minority for ANY reason, is truly asking for trouble, BIG TIME.)

Answer 4

I believe it is possible to still keep your beliefs and follow the law of the land here in Australia. Our laws are very flexible and allow for many religions and cultures to be safe and fair.

It is the people that choose to deliberately ignore the laws and ignore the fact that we have a culture different to theirs, when they have come here and have asked us to let them stay.

It is our generosity that has saved them from the problems they suffered in their own country. They should be grateful and should show us the respect we have given them.

Years ago in the 40's when the Italians and Greeks came over, they shared with us their culture - language and foods (thats where we get spaghetti bolognaise, and lasagne, and kebabs, and the best fish and chips!) And these cultures changed, and they integrated wonderfully. Why is it so hard for the Muslims to do that?

Answer 5

They got it right 100%. If I were to move to Saudi Arabia or similar I would have to live by their basic country laws!! Its as simple as that. People actually need to READ and digest and understand what Martin B is quoting!! Basically the brit government is wanting to be seen as being politically correct to the detriment of their own country. Look at the NHS and its shortages! Housing and and.... the list is endless.

If people are finding life in the West too hard to handle, simple thing, take down your tents and foxtrot oscar back to where you came from!! Rules are rules!! The Aussies have got it right 100%

Answer 6

Right. Sharia law should not supersede civil law. Laws are created indirectly by society as a whole. No religion should be the sole deciding factor determining laws. Laws are a moral code of conduct, a contract between individuals and the society, but not all conduct should be controlled by religious law. There must be a balance between an individual rights and society's need for order, but when you depend solely on religious law for the order, you completely negate free will and remove individual rights.

Answer 7

To expect immigrants to obey the law of the land is perfectly reasonable and if they don't then they should be dealt with under the due process of the law.
In a democratic country if any group of people wish to see certain laws enacted then they are entitled to campaign and lobby peacefully but it must be made clear that any law applies to all citizens and there is no place for laws applying to certain groups only.

Answer 8

Eh? The Islamic community in the UK must abide by its laws! That is simple fact! Not every Muslim is a maniac terrorist out to destroy the west! In Britain we have an Islamic council to help integrate statute law and religious law and I personally feel they do a good job and have a lot of work to do! I am a white Scot of no religious beliefs and not a Muslim.

Answer 9

Anyone who disagree with your question is basically showing that Islam is not compatible with western democracy.

In Western Democracies the democracy/republic is the ultimate source of law, not a God/Allah.

If Moslems will not be tolerant enough to agree to place the tolerance needs of the democracy above their religion for the sake of social harmony, then they are incompatible with the spirit of the democracy and should leave.

Answer 10

Every sovereign country has a duty and a right to enforce their laws,If the people don't like them they should change them democratically, leave the country or face the full rigours of the law.