Malachi 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not...
If Jesus offered a new covenant, which means God changed his behavior, how he deals with mankind, then at least this verse of the Bible is false.
Hbr 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
Impossible for God to lie? Can't he do anything?
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Predestinate; I thought we had free will?
I could go on. And I've checked, I am not taking these out of context. Does reason survive a Judeo-Christian "faith"?
2006-09-02 16:48:10 · 8 answers · asked by neil s 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
God not only gave us the new covenant, he's also going to give us a whole new age.
This doesn't have anything at all with God's immutability, it's the way we humans need to be dealt with ... baby steps!
God can't make a square circle. God can't sin. These are positive traits. Not negative.
Finally, regarding predestination, God's will is going to prevail, no matter what, simply because he's God.
This doesn't mean we aren't able to make free choices. It means that he controls the "menu".
I could go on. And I've checked. I am not making this stuff up.
The true Judeo-Christian faith is absolutely truthful and logical.
False, late faith traditions, and reliance on only part of God's full revelation results in logical "disconnects" due to missing data.
2006-09-02 17:02:32 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
LOL
Ok 2 things here!
First is God and Christ.
God is a God of the law. He will not change, can not change! Man will be judged by the Law. Every sin you do, is your sin.
If you accept Christ in truth, your sins all of them are his sins, he takes them, you then have no sin against the law, before God you can stand! And by the Law you are sinless before God.
Second:
Rom 8
30 Moreover whom he did predesignate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
there is a difference between predesignate, and predestination!
There is no predestination!
A few have be chosen, this is a hint of a time before man was made flesh, that God found very great favor in. A few have been sprinkled through history, Abraham, Joseph, Peter, Paul, Moses, some others.
In the end times there are coming 144,000 that have been chosen from before, predestined, who are destined for heaven!
It is also to be noted that it is these 144,000 that are the only ones that can, are capable of, committing the unforgivable sin!
So still these 144,000 still have free will, and can, are capable, of entering, not only hell, but the lake of fire!
2006-09-03 08:10:19 · answer #2 · answered by Grandreal 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
you obviously did not "check" you citations thouroughly enough
As far as the "lie" reference....the godhead which was referred to in the OT must be understood in the context of "covenant" theology....if the Jews are true to their covenant with g-d..."he" will be faithful to them...
point of information ...asking "can't he do anything ?" shows a simplistic idea about g-d....the ineffable is unattainable to humans...and our understanding of him/her/it is limited by OUR limitations...not the other way around
As far as the "predestination" quote...again....you need to do a better job of research ....there are many and varied "themes" runnning throughout the OT...some are continued in the NT
These "themes" can be literary, mystic, socio-political...
there are two "basic" forms of Midrashic writings, for instance
NO ...reason does not survive "faith"....they are two different things....it is possible to have some [ or a little] of both...one or the other or neither....
Faith requires only that you believe...
Reason requires proof..
Religion of any sort asks only for faith
reason mandates logic...
NOTE....reason makes its own assumptions about reality
do not think that reason is "above" faith....its just hidden in the
"a priori " assumptions
Your questioning your faith...such as it is....is normal
what you need to do is more reading to expand your knowledge and widen your exposure to different schools of thought
Start with "A HIstory of God" by Armstrong
then a few books by Pagels
Note: I didn't even quote Kierkegaard !!!
2006-09-03 00:11:41 · answer #3 · answered by Gemelli2 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
He did not lie..and will not and can not!
The covenant that Jesus made was foretold in the Old Testament..it was prophesied that the Messiah would come..and said how He would and what would happen..and it happened just as scripture had said.
God can and has changed His mind at times..it's also in the Bible...stop trying to twist things into making it sound like you want it to.
2006-09-02 23:55:39 · answer #4 · answered by Judah's voice 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
If you are going to believe Gods word is a lie, you are confused. God did not give us a spirit of confusion. Let every word of God be the truth and every word out of man a lie. There it is there! I believe everything in the Bible whether I like it or not, the truth hurts doesn't it. You either except it or reject it like He said.
2006-09-02 23:55:36 · answer #5 · answered by AnasiaW. 1 · 0⤊ 1⤋
God doesnt lie...by changes a covenant he isnt lieing He's offeringa new way.Predestinent means God knows what will happen,and how we will CHOOSE. That takes nothing away from free will.He just knows the outcome
2006-09-02 23:53:48 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
i dont know what to say about your second point, but about God being able to do anything, he can. he CAN lie, however, he is GOD who obviously is against lying, if lying is a sin, why would God do it? therefore, it is seen as impossible because its something just wouldn't happen in a million years.
2006-09-02 23:57:16 · answer #7 · answered by candybraidz_207 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
also penis.
2006-09-02 23:53:17 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋