How can people believe that the amazing complexity of the universe just exists uncaused?

Question

It is inconceivable that the complexity we see in the physical universe, and particularly in living organisms, could just exist fully formed without cause. No rational person denies this premise.

The same reasoning also rules out the idea that this complexity is sourced in an eternal intelligent creator which itself exists fully formed without cause.

The only remaining possibility is that the universe had a natural, not a supernatural origin, and that galaxies, stars, planets and living organisms gradually arose out of simplicity and chaos by the action of unthinking, undirected natural processes. This conclusion from straightforward reason is supported by objective evidence from cosmology and biology - i.e. the big bang and evolution.

So, the existence of an intelligent 'creator' is a logical impossibility - Intelligence is a product of the universe, not the other way round. How can theists believe that complexity and intelligence just exist from nowhere? It's a nonsense.

Answer 1

Agreed. Excellent point, excellent question.

Answer 2

I'm sorry but your question itself just show your HUGE lack of understanding of the concept of evolution. We don't believe it came from nothing. Evolution actually very adequately explains where life came from. Keep reading the scientific literature.

More importantly however Intelligent Design explains nothing! You say in the beginning of your question you say that the belief "complexity we see in the physical universe, and particularly in living organisms, could just exist fully formed without cause" is irrational. However if your explanation is that an intelligent designer is responsible than you are stuck with your own logic. What created the designer? You've already said that assuming something came from nothing is irrational.

Answer 3

I admire your understanding of what christians think sometimes, but your questions about how impossible God is are absolutely stupid and funny.

So... why is it not possible to built a tower out of legos and put it into my little lego world? Do the pieces have to form together themselves over time? It actually makes more sense to have someone creating it.

But you are probably saying, "well how did the legos get there?"
That isn't the point of the explanation, compare the two things, If God exists, he can make 1 molecule just the same as a whole organism. And if legos exist, I can make 2 bricks stacked on top just the same as a whole tower.

God created reality itself, so let's say that the legos that God uses are his "wanting to make them appear". so God uses that to make things, so why does he have to make something only half-built and let it build itself?

The Chicken came before the egg, and this helps explain that a bit better.

One other thing that I like about your questions, they are very easy to explain. It is hard to understand how you wonder them, or at least hope to confuse someone.

Answer 4

The cause and effect logic is mainly human ,, we tend to give this attribute to the creator, not because we are complex beings that there should be a reason for that , We humans invent a God that looks as a superior perfect creator at our image, but who said God is perfect ? his universe isnt perfect but instead is violent , chaotic and mysterious, to say that God exists because we exist is mainly superficial . why does a complex matter like our brain make ideas such the existence of God and make us believe that an idea is true . . God is not an idea and we can never know what God is.

Answer 5

Your flaw is, of course, that "the same reasoning also rules out the idea that this complexity is sourced in an eternal intelligent creator." There is not reasonable or logical connection between the two ideas.

-j.

Answer 6

scuffling with adversarial to, or maybe discussing a non-existent being are the indications of psychological ailment! Darwinian evolution looks to me like a good little tale that many scientists attempt to instruct. that is all about presuppositions. if you're digging up fossils with the desire and objective of proving Darwinian evolution, you're bias. in case you want to be certain fish with ft in the fossil record, you'll see fish with ft. the very reality of the count number is that scienctists should be dogmatic. basically because everybody is skeptical of Chuck's little tale, would not recommend they're non secular fundamentalists. in reality, all it skill is they don't prefer to purchase into your faith (and Darwinism is a faith in each and every experience of the note). I have a question for the naturalisitic atheists obtainable. I doubt you'll answer this question because it calls for questioning your savior (Darwin), yet what if paleontologists stumbled on a dinosaur with the cranium of a homosapien in its mouth? Or in case you don't like that party, then make up your own state of affairs that ought to thoroughly disprove Darwinian evolution. on account that most of the "Darwinian Groupies" (tm) are truly dogmatic, i'm certain you need to basically push aside such fossils as a prank, does no longer you? No way ought to your minister's little hypotheses be disproven! Then what excuse ought to you've for no longer believing in a author??!! the idea is alarming, i comprehend! without this idea, you're again to the drafting board. one hundred and fifty years wasted. i'm starting up to understand why the Darwin club is so protective, you're apologists for your faith.

Answer 7

You're right. Einstein said," My religion consist of a humble admiration of the boundless superior spirit that reveals itself in the small details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds, The deeply emotional feelings of the presence of a superior reasoning power that reveals itself in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."

Answer 8

as complex as the universe is, it had to be created somehow. it couldn't be finite by chance. as in all science, its just that. all theory. evolution is a joke along with carbon dating as many top scienctists forged on purpose things to be tested and found carbon dating was of no use. many had items tested coming out at 2600 years old when they were only a few years old. the existence of intelligence design is not impossible. i've researched both for sometime and more comes out on both subjects that make it wrong on theories. if god created everything, he would be the ultimate intelligence of design. but who created god?

Answer 9

Ask a question and I will answer it.

I understand your point but I don't see a question.
The debate to this would be something as simple as your keyboard for your computer. Was it created? How do you know? Now if you wanted to explain it away as not created what would you dream up? hmmm I don't know .. Look Above!
:)
God bless ya though.

Answer 10

OK, how do you explain that some people are sociopaths, and some people love and have a conscience. What is the basis for good and evil? Why do we have morals? Who taught us that, Where did that begin in your theory?