When will Christians STOP citing Josephus?

Question

The passage in Antiwuities that mentions Jesus was stuck in there 250 eyars later. Schoalrs who are not committed Fundamentalists conclude that it's bogus.

Here's why:

1) It's stylistically different from the rest of the text.
2) Remove it, and it reads smoothly.
3) No early Christian cites Josephus, as they would if it mentioned Jesus.
4) Origen (185-254) wrote that there's no mention of Jesus in Josephus, AND that he never believed in any Messiah.
5) Interesting how in his book there are a lot of gys named "jesus"-- all in the Hebrew form, Yeshua. EXCEPT in the interpolated text, in which his name is oddly given in its erroneous Greek form, Jesus.
6) In Jewish War, Josephus expresses contempt for all messianic agitators, blaming them for the nation's ruin.
7) He also claims that Vespasian fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies. So how likely is it that he'd gush about Jesus?

But even if Josephus DID mention Jesus, since he wa born in the year 38, he cannot have been an eyewitness to the existence of Jesus. The best he can do is certify that there was some sort of movement based on the Jesus character. But that's not sufficient to show that he was real. Jesus appears to be the Jewish version of the old Mystery Cult god-man, the kind that's always born of a virgin on Dec. 25, dies on a tree (Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29; I Peter 2:24) and rises from the dead. The fact thst Jews didn't go along with it should mean something. Also that Gentiles, who didn't know better and who were familiar with the Mystery Cuilts, did.

Fact is, NO historian of the time even mentions Jesus at all! Strange for such a wonder worker. When Christians keep citing later historians, you embarrass yourselves. I guess the applause of your fellow uninformed Christians makes it worthwhile, but it doesn't impress the rest of us.

Answer 1

You should give 'em something to look at. Modern biblical scholarship makes a very compelling case for the idea that Jesus never existed... that he was, in fact, entirely fictional.

The Jesus Puzzle
http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/home.htm

Of course, true 'believers' will never look... they're afraid that they might see something that actually makes sense, and will shake the foundations of their faith.

Answer 2

The interesting thing about the historical existence of Jesus is it doesn't matter. If some person named Yeshua ben Yoseph did live and die at 1st century Palestine, that would not make him devine. He could just have been one of many religious rabble rousers that come up in times of trouble like Joseph Smith or Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the guy who started Wahhabi Islam.
Don't mean a word of it is true.

Answer 3

imprecise? rather? Mark 13:10 And the gospel might desire to first be printed between all international locations. The Bible has been translated into all regularly occurring languages. particular, even Esperanto. The Bible is the 1st e book to reach "warm off a printing press". The Bible is the main studied e book interior the history of mankind. right it rather is a quote from a guy who spoke 40 5 languages and researched the Bible for many of his existence. "i might desire to upload that the effect of my 40 5 years of learn of the Bible has led me each and all of the time to a miles less attackable faith that interior the previous testomony, we've a real historic account of the history of the Israelite human beings." Robert Wilson right here is what you do. through fact precise now you're like a guy along with his lips around an exaust pipe questioning why a automobile does not artwork. Confess your sins to God. in simple terms communicate out precise now and start up telling Him the form you have tousled and permit Him down. the form you have taken all your presents and back not something yet spite to Him. in case you like a record of what He hates, bypass to Proverbs financial ruin 6 and you will see a great one. Proverbs 6:sixteen-19 sixteen those six issues doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a mendacity tongue, and palms that shed harmless blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, toes that be fast in working to mischief, 19 A fake witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord between brethren. Now repent and ask Jesus Christ to return into your existence. p.c.. up the 1st e book off a printing press and start up examining it like the affection letter from God to you that it rather is. stay in God's word each and every day. i understand you place up this question frequently. I communicate extra to everybody who might wander for the time of it than to your annoying and robot heart.

Answer 4

the fact that some use josephus in their arguements is to give a
corelation of secular history that jives with times and events as
written in the Bible.It seems that so many folks try so hard to
prove that what is written in the Bible is folk lore or myth,that when
someone does show a direct link between secular and bible
cronology they immediatly jump on and try to discredit it as un-
true.although in theroy that one shoud accept what a non biblical
author penned.

Answer 5

The people who did write about Jesus are said to be unbelievable because their writings got included in what we call the Bible.

If we remove Jesus from Josephus' writings it reads smoothly? I'll bet if we remove him from the Bible things would read smoothly too. And as a bonus, no more arguing about his divinity or existence!

Answer 6

Added fact: I have have heard two Rabbis (one Reform and one Orthodox) say that Josephus's writing was more of a tabloid style, alot of hearsay, and cannot be completely believed.

Answer 7

What seems to be your major malfunction.
What the H*** do you want?
What an antagonist.
Do you enjoy making people angry?
Do you enjoy aggravating people?
You remind me of my brother -in law.
He went insane.

Even the picture you chose is aggravating.
He kept it up until he just went insane.
He asked for it and he got it.

Answer 8

Can`t understand you making such a hoola baloo of something that you don`t believe or being impressed of? It clearly bugs you.

Answer 9

The bible clearly states when Jesus lived and died. That is my reference. You believe what you want. I believe the bible.

Answer 10

Good information.