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Christ on the cross gave salvation to the thief next to him, the thief didn't get a water baptism.

2006-09-02 06:59:15 · 33 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

33 answers

no he did not!
but you are right, baptism does not "save" a christian. It is merely a public display that the person has made a concious decision to represent God's KIngdom. The salvation comes from having faith that is accompanied by the works.
Also, Jesus did not die on a cross. That is a mis-transliteration from the Greek to Latin to English.
THe Greek word used is stauroo, which literally means stake or piece of impaleing,such as would be used to make a fence.
The erroe came about first when the scriptures were translated to the Latin using crux,which was the closest word. Later when the KJV was authorized the translators followed through with cross.
THe symbol of the cross itself predates Jesus all the way back to Ancient Babylon. That is where Nimrod(Gen.10:8) started worship of his mother. Later when he died the symbol used to deify him was the 'T' or mystic TAU. This became the cross and was scattered with false religion throughout the world when God confused the languages at Babylon!(Gen.11:5-9).

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2006-09-02 07:05:53 · answer #1 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 0 0

Bacause after the theif had died, and after Jesus rose from the dead, He said, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved". (Mark 16:16)

Every conversion of an alien sinner recorded in the Bible after this point of time specifically mentions baptism. Not every example lists love, faith, confession, grace and mercy even though we all know these are necessary, but baptism is listed every time.

Baptism was always immediate. These conversions include large groups (thousands) baptized on the same day, stopping in the middle of a journey, the middle of the night, and Saul who had not eaten for three days. None of the converts ate, drank or slept until they were baptized.

The theif was at the scene of Christ's death. He had direct contact with this death where the saving blood was shed. We are "baptized into Christ" and "baptized into his death".(Romans 6:3-4, Gal. 3:27, Col. 2:12) This is where we contact Christ's death and the saving blood that was shed there.

Many verses talk about the blessings "in Christ", but there are only a few that use the phrase "into Christ". How do we get "into Christ"? All of the verses that use this phrase say we are "baptized into Christ". We cannot be saved outside of Christ!

Again Jesus said, "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved". What would Jesus have said if he had meant "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"? I believe he said what he meant and meant what he said. I believe Jesus. "He that believes not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)

2006-09-05 11:39:03 · answer #2 · answered by JoeBama 7 · 0 0

I HAVE 5 VERSUS FROM THE BIBLE THAT TELLS THE IMPORTAINCE OF BAPTISM.. AND WHENEVER JESUS SAID ABOUT REPENTANCE HE ALSO SAID ABOUT BAPTISM>>BECAUSE THEY GO TOGTHER

JOHN 3:5 > Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit

ACTS 2:38 >Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 22:16:>And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'

1 Corinthians 12:13:> "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

ROMANS 6:4>We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Mark 16:16 >He that believes and is baptized shall be saved"

2006-09-02 07:06:47 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

There are Christian denominations that believe baptism is mandatory for salvation. The arguments used, on the outdoors, look powerful. in spite of the shown fact that, upon examination, baptism is discovered to ensue after conversion, and isn't in any way a reason or area of it. Take, as an occasion, Acts 10:40 4-40 seven. whilst Peter grew to become into witnessing, the Holy Spirit fell upon all people who have been listening to the message...and that they have been listening to them talking in tongues and exalting God. Then Peter responded, "certainly no it is easy to refuse the water for those to be baptized who've gained the Holy Spirit only as we did, can he?" This passage shows that baptism occurs after salvation. How do all of us be responsive to they have been saved? They have been talking in tongues -- this is a present from God to believers (a million Cor. 14)and that they have been exalting God. Non-believers do not exalt God. additionally, Peter mentioned that they had gained the Holy Spirit. it is barely for Christians, and it got here approximately in the previous baptism. (notice: talking in tongues is only a demonstration of salvation. it is not mandatory that a Christian communicate in tongues as a data of salvation. not all communicate in tongues (a million Cor. 12:30). yet another set of verses perfect to this difficulty is a million Cor. a million:17. Paul says, "For Christ did not deliver me to baptize, yet to evangelise the gospel..." The gospel is what saves, and it is defined in a million Cor. 15:a million-4. Baptism isn't area of the gospel; it is a few thing that the believer does after salvation. Baptism is barely an emblem of that which saves, and emblems do not keep.

2016-10-01 05:27:53 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The thief died under the Old Law. Without the death of Jesus the New Testament would not have come into being. It was not until the day of Pentecost that His Church was established. In Acts 2:38, under the New Testament we are told how to be saved.

The water represents a death and being raised out of the water represents a new birth.

2006-09-02 07:04:32 · answer #5 · answered by Birdbrain 4 · 2 0

This is one of the primary scriptures for water baptism:
John 3: 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

John the Baptist felt that he "needed" to be baptized by Jesus.
Matthew 3:14 NIV
But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"

Also, Jesus said: Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

These are just some of the evidence.

2006-09-02 07:03:21 · answer #6 · answered by Makemeaspark 7 · 1 0

I don't think that you will only be saved through baptism, but baptism is a way of saying "Look I am really sorry for the sins I have done/will do and I am going to clean them all away."

2006-09-02 07:02:59 · answer #7 · answered by Lydia F 2 · 1 0

God can do whatever he chooses to do, and even break his own rules if he wants to.

We can't.

Only a fool would refuse to be baptised, especially in light of Christ's own words, which clearly state that it's necessary.

Here's a good general rule for interpreting scripture:

If God says to do it, it always a very good idea.

If God says amen a couple of times, and then says to do it, it's absoutely critical.

If an apostle or a prophet says it, it's a very good idea.

If an apostle says it, and God says it, it's absolutely critical.

If an apostle says it and God says it, but the language appears to vary, God's version always wins.

If anybody says something that even appears to go against what God says, God's version always wins.

The Gospels are generally more authoritative than the Epistles, and the Gospels and the Epistles are generally more authoritative than the Old Testament books.

2006-09-02 08:07:41 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Because God said so, and demonstrated it with the example of Jesus doing so, with John the Baptist. He also demonstrated at His birth. Jesus was born in a different way, not with a man and a woman, but with God's spirit and a virgin. He said that we must be born again to enter heaven, and that would mean to go through a water baptism like He did.

2006-09-02 07:08:39 · answer #9 · answered by classyjazzcreations 5 · 1 0

This error is because of misinterpretations of verses such as Acts 2:38, "Repent, and be baptized for the remission of your sins." Another example is I Pet. 3:21 speaks of being saved by baptism. A correct interpretation of both of these passages shows that we are not saved because of baptism, but that we are baptized because we are saved.

2006-09-02 07:06:21 · answer #10 · answered by pastor 2 · 0 0

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