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old testament i think might have something

2006-09-01 20:42:00 · 14 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

go get em day sleeper

2006-09-01 20:47:50 · update #1

day sleeper knows his stuff
looks like ten points to me.what do yall think

2006-09-01 21:16:08 · update #2

day sleeper knows his stuff
looks like ten points to me.what do yall think

2006-09-01 21:19:28 · update #3

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Deuteronomy

Chapter 13

KJV



1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.



6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.



12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.





So as you can see, the punishment of apostasy in Christianity is DEATH, and not only that, the one who tries to convert you is also to be put the death!!!! Note even whole cities are to be destroyed!!!!



So Christians are the last one to talk about the punishment of apostasy, since the punishment for apostasy according to the Bible is DEATH.



What will Christians now say? Will they come up with the typical lie they always say when put in a hole that 'oh no we don’t have to follow the OT anymore'. That has become quite a famous line now, anyways, I would like the Christian to show me where this rule has been abrogated or told to not be followed. I have not seen it in the NT.



Secondly, note the ending of the verse, it says KEPP ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS, which also include this command to kill apostates and those who try to convert you. Let us read what Jesus said in the NT:



Luke 10:



18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "

21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.

22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."





So as Jesus himself said, you know the commandments don’t you? Yes, you do, so as Jesus said follow them. And what do we read at the end of Deuteronomy 13:



18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God



So it says keep the commandments, which included killing apostates and those who try to convert you, what did Jesus say? Keep the commandments, ALL OF THEM. Which includes this law of apostasy.



So Christians are the LAST to be talking about freedom to convert. This is just a typical missionary tactic, which is becoming very common now, this also shows how pathetic Christian missionaries really are, and it does show how pathetic some Christian people are also, since they always come preaching how bad Islam is and how Christianity grants freedom for all, obviously they talk from ignorance since most Christians have never even read their own Bible. I am not trying to be offensive in saying that, but it is true, Christians should start reading their own Bible, and read the filth found in it, when you tell a Christian that Judah had sex with his daughter in law and that Jesus comes from this lineage, they call you a liar and a pervert which shows how little they know about their own Bible.

2006-09-01 20:45:52 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Actually, I would go to the New Testament. I think you would be given a time to repent, and if you did not, then your life might be cut short, in order to save your soul. If you completely turn away and deny Christ, then that depends on your denominational doctrine. From what I have read in the Bible, I would say that Heb. 6 speaks to that issue and that you would go to Hell.

2006-09-02 03:46:17 · answer #2 · answered by delzakiya 2 · 1 0

Because of Christ, we are no longer subject to the penalty and punishment of Old Testament Law unless we insist on adhering to the Law and not to grace for salvation. (Ephesians 2:8-9) But if we don't accept salvation by grace but insist on "earning" our salvation by adherence to the Law, if we break just one point of the Law, we are a lawbreaker and subject to the penalty of the Law, which is death. While I don't think any Christians today would be stoned for blasphemy, since those who truly follow Christ are saved by grace and not by the Law, I think the best remedy for apostasy is exposure and removal of those who are preaching apostasy--disfellowshipping those who are preaching things in obvious contradiction to the Word. I think Ephesians 5:1-17 is a pretty good reference point for this as well. Of course, if pastors and parishioners are not willing to remove those from the congregation who are proclaiming apostasy (actually proclaiming it, not having private views they don't share), then they are just as guilty as the apostates.

2006-09-02 03:52:55 · answer #3 · answered by Pastor Chad from JesusFreak.com 6 · 0 1

Apostasy is when a person renounce his/ her faith.

A Christian who renounced his religious beliefs to follow a different religion or who have decided to be agnostic - renounced his rights to salvation - no stone throwing or chopping off of heads. That issue is between the individual and his/her "former" Maker. The punishment would be spiritual.

2006-09-02 04:28:09 · answer #4 · answered by lew_lewisje 3 · 0 1

Death (2nd death) Eternal damnation, Forfeiture of salvation

Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,


Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,


Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

2006-09-02 03:45:45 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Spiritual damnation. But no punishment in the material world under all major denominations of Christianity today. You simply go to hell to suffer the torment of the damned for all eternity.

2006-09-02 03:46:40 · answer #6 · answered by travelin_25 2 · 0 1

read Romans chapter :1 in the new testament God gives them up to a reprobate mined a mined that will never except God Romans chapter 1: explains the process of apostasy

2006-09-02 04:37:18 · answer #7 · answered by jim 2 · 0 1

Well the old testament has a lot of "Their blood shall be upon them" things...

2006-09-02 03:45:34 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

yeap the old testement has it, bit New one duz't. God duz't punish for back sliding. Back sliding or apostasy is allredy a punishment. MISERABLE life!!!

2006-09-02 03:46:21 · answer #9 · answered by White Eagle 2 · 0 1

Apostacy is tantamount to Blasphemy. If you are an apostate you have separated yourself from God and His Grace. This is spiritual death.

2006-09-02 03:43:58 · answer #10 · answered by Augustine 6 · 1 2

great answer Cris C, right on the money

2006-09-02 03:45:33 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

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