he was sodomised at a church youth camp. Does he still qualify?
2006-08-31 15:27:10 · 27 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
2006-08-31 15:55:48 · update #1
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
2006-08-31 15:56:39 · update #2
yes he is a virgin in gods eyes
2006-08-31 15:45:01 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Bible uses the term virgin in a literal way and a figerative way. In the figurative way the 144,000 must be virgins, i.e. remaining separate from the ungodly practices of the world and uphold Gods moral standards of conduct as well as keeping doctrinally clean, which means to observe Gods laws not man's. These are as you know found in the Bible. Many churches water down these standards and allow all forms of immorality within their congregations. However God is the one that sets these standards and no man has the right to change them. Your nephew had a truly horrendous experience and know that God will not judge him on that, But he will judge the offenders. Have you any questions regarding the 144,000 that will go to heaven or what they will do their. I would be pleased to help.
2006-08-31 22:58:43 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Are you talking about the 144,000 people sealed in Revelation 7?
If so, you are slaughtering both the text and your nephew's understanding of sex, abuse, and spirituality.
1. The 144,000 are all Jewish. Not Jewish, don't qualify.
2. The 144,000 are not necessarily all male.
3. Nowhere does it say they are all virgins.
4. Rape, including sodomy, does not count as sexual activity. It is physical abuse.
Please read the OT a little more. Even 3,000 years ago, the Bronze Age people knew a rape victim wasn't guilty of any sin or crime!
I hope the youth "camp" was closed down, and the abuser sent to prison.
2006-08-31 23:00:38 · answer #3 · answered by MamaBear 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You have that whole section turned upside down. What it is describing is a time after the rapture and the great tribulation. The 144,000 are people you will come to be saved in that time and survive the persecution.
As for the rape he still has his virginity and he should pursue woman and marriage and leave the 144,000 up to God.
2006-08-31 23:19:01 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Only if your nephew is Jewish, called of God and living in Israel at the right time.
The 144,000 is comprised of 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. They won't be attending church camp anytime soon, so not to worry.
To assuage his loss, you might set an example by showing him how to make himself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
2006-08-31 23:14:09 · answer #5 · answered by Tommy 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
not really ,
that is hardly a virgin any more ,
even if it was against his wishes
men are deflowered from the back as oposed to women who are deflowered from the front
a sodomised girl can still be a virgin ,a boy cant .
I know this is unfair ,
but who ever said that life was fair
and dont tell me God will accept that
God does not classify virgins
,people do
2006-08-31 22:49:10 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Bible does not say anything about 144,000 male virgins. Read again. That number is symbollic of the original 12 tribes of Israel. There wouldn't be so many of them if they were virgins. If your nephew really was sexually abused, I'm sorry. If not, it's not something you should joke about. Children who truly are abused in that way spend a lifetime dealing with it.
2006-08-31 22:45:52 · answer #7 · answered by TJMiler 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Who in the world told you that there will be only 144,000 male virgins in heaven? I don't think that there is a limitation on virgins entering heaven. In regard to your nephew, I don't think that he lost his virginity but he was victimized and that is sad. For him to lose his virginity he would have to been the one initiating sex with a female. I think he has a very good chance of going to heaven in spite of you trying to confuse him.
2006-08-31 22:49:30 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
The 144,000 preach in tribulation... they are not the only ones going, READ THE BIBLE and get out of the cultish JW teaching.
2006-08-31 22:54:46 · answer #9 · answered by musingaloud 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
he will be forgiven when he explains what happened to him and then those who scourged him shall be punished to atone for his sin that was not his in the first place he must make it right before he is called to paradise then it will be to late why do you not know this why do you have to expose this to people who do not understand i hope you will not pay dearly for this scandalous rumor acca baa
2006-08-31 22:47:34 · answer #10 · answered by vanessa 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This guy is making a joke to mock christianity. I serously doubt his credibilty in everything he said. especially since he got the scripture wrong.
..typical
2006-08-31 22:48:29 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋