Christians: Do you believe God and Jesus or Paul and Constantine?

Question

The trinity was invented by Paul and Constantine and forced on Christians. The Bible was changed to indicate this by Constantine. Jesus son of Mary PBUT never ever claimed to be God or son of God, and this claim hurts him. He sent a message to you through the true word of God the holy Quran asking you to stop this, why you don't listen to him if you really love him and don't want to hurt him. Even more this claim will guarantee hell fire to who ever believe in it on no basis, please wake up and save your souls. Yes it is difficult to change beliefs but all what is required is to search for the truth based on evidence again. Think why respected smart people like the ones at the links below changed?
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/Yusuf_story.htm
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21

The holy Quran 5:116,
And behold! Allah will say: "O 'Isa the son of Maryam! didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

The holy Quran 5:117,
"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

I just feel sad when I read responses like flyers... below which just show how ignorant and unjust he is about Islam and the holy Quran.
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/37/
Give me only one evidence that the Bible is preserved and not changed in comparison with the Quran as eident in the links.
http://www.answering-christianity.com

I know that Paul and Constantine never met because they lived in different times, but I just mentioned the two most affected the basis of Christianity. I also know that all Christians think the Quran is not true, but when I ask you to search for the truth I am sure that those who will do will find the truth of the Quran because the signs of its truth are very evident and undisputable.

Answer 1

Jesus is God. Amen!
Shalom

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Answer 2

In Genesis, God is speaking and uses the plural "let US make man in our own image." Nothing to do with Paul or Constantine.

The Apostle John, or John the Beloved, is the one who makes the connection between God and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, in his Gospel and 1st Epistle of John. Nothing to do with Paul or Constantine.

John says, God spoke, the word created. John says, Jesus was the WORD, and then tells us the Holy Spirit is the Truth of the Word. They are witnesses to God. Jesus Himself said He and the FATHER are ONE. Not Paul and not Constantine.

Constantine may have learned much from the writings of Paul, but to includes Paul and Constantine as being joined at the hip or in heart, is an grave error in history. When exegesis occurs and the truth is extracted, who extracts it is moot.

Fact is, Paul had little to say about the Godhead, except for using that phrase. It was mostly JOHN and Jesus who expounded on His nature.

Answer 3

Paul didn't change anything; the Bible was in its current form over a hundred years before Constantine.

Jesus is God in human flesh, truly "God with us".
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus is not just a good man, nor just a prophet of God, but God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Quoting the Koran will not change my mind, because I have no confidence in the Koran. It contradicts itself, and nobody has any way to know which verses were abrogated and which replaced them, as they are not arranged chronologically, but by length of sura. If you can find any evidence of the Bible being changed, perhaps I will reject it, but there is much more evidence for the Koran being changed after the death of Mohammed.

Answer 4

The Trinity was introduced to Christianity in the second century by Bishop Hillary of Poitiers. Neither Paul nor Constantine had anything to do with it, it was derived from the Tri-form Gods and Goddesses of the Celts.

Answer 5

Ever really read the bible?
Genesis 1 had God, the word, and the spirit of God. Count. God = 1, word = 2, spirit = 3. Trinity.

Jesus on earth, being baptized. Jesus = 1. God spoke "this is my beloved son..." God = 2. and the spirit ascended like a dove...
Spirit = 3. Hmmm, trinity again.

Answer 6

The Trinity was "invented," as you say, merely as what we might call an Audio/Visual aid. Then it got out of hand and took on a life of its own. Knowing human nature, this is no big surprise, is it? It's rather like the Civil Service: one day, someone writes down a one-sentence Rule; then someone has to write a Page explaining the Rule; then a Book to explain the Page; then a year-long Course to explain the Book. Our tax-dollars (and tithes) at work!!!

Answer 7

Unholy false dichotomy, Batman! I think what you are meaning to ask, if you were to phrase your question with a little more intellectual honesty, is," Do you believe the teaching of the early Church about it's God or do you believe the teaching of the pagan Mohamed about the Christian God?"

Really, who would know better?

Answer 8

Why don't you continue your search for the truth by reading and STUDYING the Bible. I notice you never quote from it! I challenge you to do so.

Answer 9

All religions were invented by man. If you're in to that kind of stuff just pick one. They're all pretty absurd.

Answer 10

While you make valid points about the origins of Christian doctrine, you ruin your point by pushing Islam, which has just as many fallacies as Christianity and is just as absurd.