Part 2 of the 1st questione posed...Can you drink it? of course not in excess or to get drunk. Is there anyone that can back up their answers frokm a more scriptural point of view. How do I know it won't cause me to be dependent or a lush from one sip? I really am curious..
2006-08-29 12:53:23 · 13 answers · asked by Doll eyez 2 in Food & Drink ➔ Beer, Wine & Spirits
According to the scripture the wine was fermented. We know this because one of the attendees at the wedding (where the miracle happened) stated that the quality of the Jesus wine was unusually good and that normally people bring out the cheap wine after people have knocked back a few and are starting to get drunk.
That was a paraphrase obviously. The bible does not forbid drinking formented drinks. Check Timothy (1 or 2, not sure) Paul actually recommends wine to Tim for his upset stomach.
Historically it would also not make sense that the wine was not alcholic. Beer was a staple of the egyptian diets. The Isrealites fled from Egypt. Also the fermentation process was one of the main ways that ancient cultures insured fresh, bacteria free drinking water.
As far as the second part of your question about becoming a lush. If you believe in God and you believe in the idea of sin, then you also have to believe that God gives free will. You won't be lush and overinduldge unless you choose to.
Drunkeness is a sin. Good old fashioned alcohol enjoyment is not.
Hope this answers your question.
2006-08-29 17:33:06 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
This is an old question, but here s a more Biblical take.
In the Hebrew there are three words for "wine": YAYIN (fermented), TIROSH (grape juice), and SHAKAR (strong drink). Using those and following a word study, you will find that alcohol is determined as a bad thing.
In the Koine Greek, you have OINOS (both fermented and unfermented wine) and GLEUKOS (freesh juice). The Greek word for wine included both.
Based on the Bible as a whole, alcohol is certainly prohibited. Performing this study will take time, but examine the context and reach between old and new testaments to make the correlations.
2015-09-15 12:42:28 · answer #2 · answered by Joseph 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
OK, I know that's not what you meant, but your question is off (and it has nothing to do with the "Jesus part"): Wine is, by definition, fermented. If you say, "Wine," then you're inferring fermented grape juice. (You can make wine from other fruit juices, but then you'd call it "apple wine," or whatever...)
Of course, one can, AFTER FERMENTATION, remove the alcohol form the wine. That's how they make non-alcoholic wine.
Now, as to the more-serious part of your question, which I presume has something to do with the dangers of getting drunk or being a habitual drunkard:
Yes, about 10% of all people will become addicted to alcohol if they're not careful. Many religions use wine in their sacraments (IOW, the very use of wine is a part of their religion--although, to my knowledge, if someone has a problem with alcohol, they're allowed to substitute plain grape juice). Some religions (Islam, Mormonism) ban it entirely.
If you want to keep alcohol out of your life, then do it. And don't worry about, "Jesus did this, and Jesus did that," around wine. Remember that Jesus was a Jew, and the Jews have always had wine as a part of their culture and their religious observances. But that doesn't mean that in order to honor Jesus that YOU have to drink wine. If you want to stay away from the stuff, then stay away. I'm sure that Jesus won't mind!
2006-08-29 13:10:54 · answer #3 · answered by Cyn 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Wine is the product of fermented grapes, that is why the director of the wedding exclaimed that most would but out the best first and wait for his guest to get drunk and then put out the inferior.
Jesus created this miracle because he was invited to the wedding and it also served to prove that he was the Christ, the Messiah, and had Gods Holy Spirit.
Jesus did not make it so they would get drunk, he made enough for the wedding guest and party to recognize that He had Gods backing and was going to do more powerful works in the future.
Other scriptures say that wine makes the heart of mortal man rejoice.
Drank in moderation, it is helpful in digestion. To much is toxic and should be avoided.
2006-08-29 13:09:59 · answer #4 · answered by Here I Am 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It amuses me to see how many people believe that Jesus actually made grape juice. I'm sorry, but it was wine, and yes it was fermented. There's not a thing in the bible that says otherwise, it was just some crazy baptist folks that made that stuff up. Actually, grape juice as we know it wasn't invented until the late 1800's as an alternative to wine, as strange as that sounds. There was no way to store the stuff back then without letting it ferment, and actually it was near impossible to keep it from just fermenting on its own even if that wasn't your intent. So yes, it was wine... which was in fact fermented.
2006-08-30 02:39:16 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
assuming the fairy tale actually happened, then the fairy tale stated "into wine", not into "quasi-wine", "simulated wine", "wine lite" or anything else.
therefore, lack of fermentation would be moot considering it was a MIRACLE, duh; if it is "wine", the origin would be irrelevant. if it has different properties, it is not "wine".
yes you would get drunk if you drank too much, yes you could drink it, or else the story would have said he turned the water into something else.
but then you have to suspend all disbelief of the preposterous to believe the story in the first place. that's the only difficult part in any of this. the rest is a matter of pure, basic logic.
besides, since it's fiction, how do you know all the various steps in a MIRACLE -- how do you know he didn't just do very rapid fermentation in the space before him, sans tank / barrel, etc? he could have done everything a nonfictional winemaker does, just really really fast lol.
2006-08-29 13:53:26 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
in at present, even as there became a wedding ceremony. it may be days lengthy. would not be unusual for a wedding ceremony to very last over a week. the grooms kinfolk paid for wedding ceremony then. and if the wine ran out they could actual be sued over it. that still wasn't uncommon even as the wine ran out. in case you the position invited to a wedding ceremony you took with you all the persons on your household as well. not the weddings all of us understand now n days. danger is human beings were already less than the impact of alcohol. Jesus made water into wine to maintain the get mutually from being spoiled truly.
2016-12-05 22:32:14 · answer #7 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If you're truly interested in learning about wine and/or the fermentation process, then this is the correct place to be. However if this is nothing more than a platform for a religious discuss, it would be kind of you to move it to the religious category instead.
No one becomes a 'lush' by indulging in a sip of wine. Alcoholism is a disease, brought on by an allergy, & manifested by cravings which lead to substance abuse. Please ask your doctor for more information if this concerns you.
Condemnation of others, outside one's own belief structure is very easy to engage in due to lack of knowledge and understanding. Please try to NOT judge that which you don't fully understand.
Now, perhaps someone can enlighten us both on wine processing.
2006-08-29 13:07:14 · answer #8 · answered by Shadow 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
If the wine was not fermented then it was not wine.
I find it amazing the Christians that profess to believe in the Bible can then deny what it plainly says.
2006-08-29 23:42:00 · answer #9 · answered by Pontac 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Who said the wine wasn't fermented?
2006-08-29 15:25:38 · answer #10 · answered by albinopolarbear 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋