Heaven is a place without sin, but can you even be happy without a little sin here and there?

Question

Think about the things you do. You probably clean the house on a Sunday (or Saturday depending whatever you believe is the Sabbath). You have impure thoughts ( don't deny it ). I'm sure you have occasionally cursed and felt better afterwards. Maybe you got drunk?

All those things are enjoyable... if they are not allowed in heaven and you're forced to live without those things, you're not in heaven, you're in hell.

Beta how can you help each other out in a place like heaven where nothing is wrong...?? No one would need help.

Answer 1

Laugh with the sinners...or cry with the saints. Hmmm. Tough one.

Grab me a beer on your way to the fridge.

I'm curious as to why there is no sin in heaven. Does god take away free will? If so, why is free will so fantastic on earth? Does he remove the 'sin nature'? If it's so good not to have a sin nature, WTF did he give it to us in the first place? He can't blame our very nature on the silly free-will nonargument. He made us how we are.

Answer 2

I understand your point.

Think about the earth you live in today. The earth is beautiful. And everything you do in it. Including the sins were created by God himself. Everything.

So if the bible says heaven is better, then it proves there are many things in heaven that have not even been discovered on earth yet. Things you can do and things you can see.

It is better to go to a place with eternal enjoyment than a place of eternal suffering. Hell is not a place of enjoyment. You will not laugh or indulge in sins if you go there so dont let anyone decieve you.

Answer 3

But what things bring lasting happiness? Does drinking and cursing make you a better person and make your life more enjoyable? Really? For me, spending time with my family and helping other people out and trying to make myself a better individual...those things bring me lasting happiness.

When one is living in accordance with one's values, one is at peace. When one is not, one is conflicted. A conflicted person can never be truly happy. This philosophy is not unique to Christianity or even to religion in general.'

EDIT: Of course, it was given as an example in the context of our condition here in mortality. Those types of things bring lasting happiness. The types of things you mentioned do not. Would there be a need to clean your house in heaven? Or drink? Or curse? Gotta keep the discussion in context there, big guy... ;-P

Answer 4

(Galatians 5:19-23) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


Many people look to the wrong things for happiness; lasting love, joy, and peace come from following the Will of God. Sounds like you've been "looking for love in all the wrong places."

Answer 5

Leisure leads to slavery. Well thats what they taught me anyway. But honestly ask yourself. Why do you feel the need to swear? To make you feel better right? In heaven you would always feel great, so the need to swear is automatically removed. Why do you drink? Is it to feel the high? Again in heaven you will be so happy, that alcohol would be useless. Besides have you ever considered how gross you feel after drinking on the day afterwards?

Hell burning for eternaty. Is that really your idea of fun?

Answer 6

You start with the assumption that sin equals fun. That's why Christ warned everyone that it leads eventually to death. All good and pleasurable things were created by God; sin is just a corruption of them.

C.S. Lewis once said: "Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased."

Answer 7

The cultural idea of heaven being a place with angels on clouds with harps is no more consistent with the text of the bible than a hell with pitchforks and pointy-tailed demons.

I like jonathan edwards idea of heaven. It is a place where you drink the infinite sea of the infinite pleasure of God. Right now you think sex, being stoned, or cursing are the most infinite highest pleasure, but it is a lie.

There is a rule that the creation is less than the creator.

There is more power in God than there is power in power itself. There is more wisdom in God than there is in wisdom itself, because he engineered it.

There is more pleasure in God than there is pleasure in pleasure.

God freely offers himself to us. It is bizarre, but compelling.

Heaven is drinking in forever, the pleasure, not created by God, but of God himself. His joy, a joy greater than joy itself, gets to become our joy. His peace, a peace greater than peace itself, gets to become our peace.

Hell is drinking in the infinite wrath and hatred of the infinite God. God hates sin, he hates evil. His anger is infinite just as his peace is infinite. Hell is living for eternity in the eternal fires of the wrath, and the displeasure of God. There is more pain there, than there is pain in pain. There is more emptiness there than there is emptiness in emptiness.

the biblical hell is a place built to destroy eternal beings, it was not built for man. Man goes there.. but it is meant to destroy things of a higher order of creation than him.

Additional question:
You have a false premise: sin is a requirement for cooperation, or aid.

After judgement, all wrongs will be righted. Justice will be fully completed. That doesnt mean creation is over, it means those who are Gods go to the next creation (new heaven, new earth, no sin etc...). Gods universe isnt closed, its open. He isnt trying to make us live in the box, he is allowing us to live out of the box and be participants in creation with him. The fundamental idea that creation is over is not theologically correct.

Why do you have to argue for dysfunction? Evil is convergent, the greatest evils all blend together and look like each other. Good is divergent.. the more good something is, the more unlike evil it is, but the more unlike all other goods it is too. The biblical worldview isnt a dualistic battle between two opposite powers, a negative infinity vs. a positive infinity. Its between a zero and an infinity. Evil is the zero, the nothing. Its like an absence of function, not a negative function. Good is fullness of function, the complete-ness. What does it say about a God that he created several billion species of insects... does he love the cookie-cutter approach or does he love diversity? One of the proofs of God is the world around you. It came from somewhere, it was designed. Features of it not yet fully erased by the gross dysfunction of sin reveal the nature of the author.

I know modern society feeds you some ideas about what the bible says, and how small it thinks the mind of God should be, but that is simply not consistent with scripture. You are missing out on a very awesome God because you have been taught an understanding that is false.

Answer 8

Nice question!

I'm hoping its a bit like an exam, once you've passed you've passed, so if you forget what got you there in the first place then maybe you just get a little nudge from a senior member to mend your ways.

Answer 9

The world we live in is not how it was originally supposed to be anyway.
Why does everyone assume because a person chooses to believe in God that somehow their lives are over? With God not only do I have a peaceful life. I live it more abundantly.

Answer 10

human beings through their very nature have the inclination to brake regulations, in Christianity it is termed unique sin this is the disobedience inherited from Adam because we are all brothers and sisters having been born of a similar sinful flesh of Adam. So unique sin is the reason behind our inclination to disobey God (regulation of God). seem at it like this even as someone provides a algorithm to maintain on with you've the favor to brake them because this is forbidden. Like the position I stay the criminal eating age is 21 years previous so youngsters have the tendency to favor to drink extra in which they get mutually extra because alcohol is forbidden to them. yet even as they turn 21 years previous eating to get less than the impact of alcohol begins to develop into dull because eating alcohol is now criminal for them so that they have got a tendency to drink a lot less frequently except they're alcoholics obviously. the element is even as your body dies your flesh is useless hence you at the on the spot are not less than the sin of Adam (unique sin). The sinful desires of the flesh are gone you at the on the spot are a spirit and characteristic a religious body there is not any flesh. the nature of who you've been once you had a body continues to be in case you've been good your spirit continues to be good in case you've been wicked your spirit continues to be wicked yet there is not any extra inclination to commit sin. So even as your in Heaven the existence that you once had now not is beside the point because you at the on the spot are not flesh and blood the entire attitude of your existence adjustments. And faster or later your spirit will reunite with the continues to be of your previous body which it will be remade uncorrputed because the sin of Adam had died along with your previous body. Now because your new body will be with out unique sin it may also be with out the consiquence of sin mutually along with your new body received't decay, develop previous, or die. And if the spirit got here from Heaven the benefits which the spirit had recieved in Heaven includes over into their new body. And if the spirit got here from Hell the punishment which the spirit had recieved in Hell includes over into their new body. For both the righteous and the wicked will be resurrected from the useless.