Is it possible to be a christian and hold the values pro-choice and pro gay marriage?

Question

Pro-choice and for gay marriage are both values that can be attained by holding onto the ultimate value that God gave us: Freedom.

Freedom to make our own decisions without having a government tell us what is right and what is wrong. The issue of gay marriage comes to mind while thinking of this.

I realize that there are plenty of people who believe life begins at conception, but, there are also people out there who do not hold that same value. Why should you be able to dictate to them what their values should be?

I believe it is not only feasible, but absolutely necessary to be both Christian and pro Freedom.

I'd love to hear other people's opinions on the matter. Please keep the insults to a minimum...or at least make the insults original.

I'm not denying the sinfulness of such things, but I am saying that people should be able to make these choices.

I'm not exactly sure where Jesus has ever told us that we should go and make a Christian government that outlaws sin...in fact, I believe in Romans, Paul pretty much says the law is not a means to salvation.

I guess I'm also wondering why outlawing something such as gay marriage is considered the right thing to do.

I believe people should be given the right to sin, especially in matters like gay marriage.

I could argue it's a God given right.

Actually, Joeygirl, I'm questioning my faith in such things, not because I have doubts about Jesus....I'm just wondering how my fellow Christians think it is their duty to command people what to do.

The issue of gay marriage to me is especially vulnerable to an argument that mankind should be allowed to make their own mistakes. It does not effect the average everyday person, most people who are against it have no contact with gays, and an agreement/contract/union between two adult individuals shouldn't be up for public opinion.

Answer 1

Thank-you! I totally agree! Personally I think outlawing abortion won't solve anything anyway.

I must admit, I don't really know where I stand on gay-marriage. But I don't like all the christian who point their fingers at them like they're terrible sinners. Who are you to judge? Have you not sinned before?

Answer 2

I am gay so no insults intended. I must speak out though for I know to much miss information is going on and children are choosing to be gay by influences. This to me is tragic. I was one of those children. I am saddened that for some reason millions of dollars have been spent to prove or disapprove one is born gay. This only confuses the masses more. I am not educated with any high degrees but I have been blessed by God Almighty to learn so much in the past few years.
I know people are not born gay, and to continue allowing children or their parents be deceived by the statement that they are is tragedy. That also confuses many Christians that may have made better choices. People forget incidents of their pasts, often forget childhood memories as well.
I was happy to see more information about gender nonconformity come forward, but then learned the agenda is to tell people it seems to be a pre requisite for a child to be gay and that is far from the truth. Forming attractions to same gender or opposite gender is a total separate issue than gender nonconformity. Though because this often goes unnoticed or ignored in a child , it can influence many children to be called gay or become gay. I even believe that most trans gender people form because they have a gender nonconformity and are influenced to become gay.
I am concerned with the fact that the mental health does not see it as a handicap, homosexual ideas. They do recognize gender nonconformity as a mental issue. Though treatments are not standard from child to child.
I know there will always be homosexual people. I know they should be treated with same respect as any other human. I even call for rights based on the fact so many people are deceived and may never understand truths. That is a long way from happening.
I can not say I sponsor gay marriage. Today there are to many lies to say it is ok, even being gay.

Answer 3

The right to choose, the right to sin. This is precisely why Man was given free will by a God who is the embodiment of Love. This is because when you love someone, you will set the person free. Like a Father who watched His Son make the wrong decisions with an aching and heavy heart, God our Father allows us to make mistakes and learn from them. Contrary to other stifling religions, Christianity, our RELATIONSHIP with God, is about maturity of the Spirit. We may not make the best decisions all the time, because 'all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God', yet the lessons learnt are priceless. All the best.

Answer 4

You can call yourself Christian if you hold those opinions, I suppose. You can call yourself a featherduster, but that won't make you one.

A Christian is one who follows Christ.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

You ask why I should be able to dictate values to others - aren't you dictating values to me, by claiming that people should be able to kill babies? If everybody is allowed to do what they think is right (cf. Judges 21:25), then there isn't any standard, and I would be condoning sin (Ephesians 5:11).

I have no problem with "mak[ing] our own decisions without having a government tell us what is right and what is wrong," but you want to make your decisions without God telling you what is right or wrong.

Pro-freedom? Sure. Pro-homosexual and pro-abortion? Against God's will.

The ultimate question: What does the Bible say?

Answer 5

I can not speak for the Protestants but you can NOT be a Catholic and be pro-choice, for sure.

As for the issue of gay "marriage" Catholic Church is very firm on its stance that it is wrong and I would say that a true Catholic would be opposed to that as well, whether or not it is a matter of faith (such as being anti-abortion), I do not know - will have to do some reading on that one.

To address your other question about values. . . I do not pretend to tell others what values they should hold. That is a matter for the individual, but I will defend my values, and sometimes that may come off as me telling you what to believe.

God didn't give us "freedom" he gave us free will. I think there is a difference there. Free will is the ability to decide what we are to do, freedom is the ability to do it. I have free will that I can kill someone, but God said "Don't kill". Don't means you don't have that freedom.

Answer 6

you opened a can of worms with this one! lol. First off, let me say that yes God gave us the freedom to make our own choices, but that doesn't always mean our choices are the right ones in His eyes. It breaks His heart to see His people disobeying Him. The bible states very clearly that Homosexuality is a sin, and I don't beleive there is room for grey areas in this, I beleive that a true christian would be willing to follow Him no matter the cost and that doesn't mean you should be ruled or dictated, it means that if you have a close personal relationship with Jesus you would see that this and many other things are so obviously not from God they are of the world. Temptation is everywhere you look, but our ultimate goal should be to love and serve the Lord. We cannot acheive this goal by being selfish in our own personal fleshly desires. Our body is not ours, it is a temple of the Holy Spirit as His word says, and we have a duty to keep ourselves pure and acceptable to Him. In His eyes, this lifestyle choice is NOT acceptable, and it is as simple as that. I have afriend of 20yrs who has struggled with homosexuality and he is a christian, and I always tell him this. But He, like many others, is very stubborn and we as christians need to be praying that these people with these ideas and lifestyle choices will have their eyes opened to the truth of God's love and what it really means to serve Him. I will be praying for you on this matter, and I hope you can come to an understanding that His love will never leave you but that doesn't give us an excuse to continue living in sin by disobeying His word.

Answer 7

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Answer 8

Some people who say they are christians hold to these beliefs.
Yes, God gave us freedom to make a choice- life or death, for Him or against Him.
My standards and my beliefs are not according to my own opinions because I know that my ways and my thoughts are not His ways and thoughts. I cannot make a decision regarding these issues based on my own ideas and opinions if my ideas and opinions don't line up with the word of God.. Being a Christian means dying to self, 2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; If God says it is wrong, then it is wrong - period - there is no rationalizing, justifying, making excuse for- that is why we are not to lean on our own understandings- God is infinite in His knowledge and wisdom and we try to come at that with three pounds of rotting, soon to be worm food.

Answer 9

I think you can be a Christian and not judge others which is what I think you are trying to do here. You can be pro-choice, meaning that others have the right to choose but for yourself you must choose no to abortion if you are to remain a true Christian. As for gay-marriage... Well, again its up to them but according to the bible ( no matter how folks refute it) homosexuality is a sin that must be confessed and repented for. Just like fornication, lying, stealing, murder, etc. We all have a choice in whether to live according to the Word or not. Its not up to the government or you or me to decide who can make those kinds of moral decisions.

Answer 10

Why isn't gay marriage present in the Bible if God gave man the Freedom to enter into gay marriage?

As for pro-choice, a woman makes the decision and suffers the consequences - plain and simple. Forgiveness is not easily obtained for women who have had abortions until she rectifies her error.