Rules of Engagment...?

Question

Although I know it does no good to really say anything about changing our military rules of engagement here, how many people believe like I do that they are completely out of touch with the war our soldiers are fighting? I mean if our soldiers sittinf around waiting for the "right time" to fire at enemies then how can we expect anything less than more black bags coming back to the States. Take the handcuffs off our troops and let them kick *** so they can come home.

Yes I realize I have some typos so don't lecture me on grammar and spelling this early in the morning. LOL

Answer 1

100% correct and there hands are tied right now. No only that, put the Generals in charge and not Rumsfeld, that should also help allot.

I only hear from some good friends that your statement is correct. I was at Tora Bora with a small SF Team and the CIA, waiting for the Rangers, but no they didn't come, because the politicians wanted the Afghanistan Tribes to go after Osama bin Laden, and now everyone knows the story........he got away!

I retired 2 years after that, and one of the hardest things to swallow every day, reading 3 to 4 E-Mails from guys I know in Iraq say the same thing......they can't fight the insurgents the way they want to.

Personally I wrote by Senator, and I think allot of people should. The Iraqi Army must now take charge or they never will, or just let us finish this sh_t once and for all.

Good Question

PS: Not necessarily do the Rules of Engagement need to change, the Law of Land Warfare and Geneva Covention need to change, but Insurgents and terrorist have no legal rights on the battlefield.

Answer 2

man i agree with you. I was in Iraq as well as many other crappy places with the military, and i know i ain't finished, but if you did that ohhh my. I think there wouldn't be any Iraqis left hahaha. the reason i say this is because they all look the same and all run around over there looking suspicious looking. You would never be able to spot a good one from a bad one cause they all carry weapons. I think we should let our military do it your way, and pull all the media out before you let it though. I can say that from experience from all the Iraqis i ever met with the exception of a few good people i met that they all lie and would slice your throat in a heartbeat if you gave them a chance. Its just like NAM over there. When i say its like NAM, i mean it because you dont know who the bad guys are; they are your friend one day and the next they are shooting at you??

Answer 3

Totally agree with you. This is a different type of was and the rules of engagement should be changed. These people are hiding in groups of women and children and using them as human shields. I say if a country chooses to do that then all the rules of engagement should be suspended. If we are at war we need to be there to win. Period

Answer 4

Who's a** are they going to kick? They are surrounded by civilians. In some cases they can't even trust the Iraqi troops with them. When you say "take the handcuffs off" does that mean you want to take a shoot first and ask questions later approach?

Answer 5

Well - what would you change them to?

Sure, there are lots of problems with them the way they are, but what's the alternative? After all, we're FIGHTING terrorism, we aren't terrorists ourselves - where should the line be drawn? Sadly, not every "troop" has great judgement about when the enemy should be engaged. They sholdn't be helpless either, though - but is it reasonable to say "Just mow everyone down, just because that baby got in the way, don't worry about it..."

Answer 6

You are corrrect, and many Americans have needlessly lost their lives, limbs, eyes and quality of life in general because of adherence to "rules" of warfare. We should be POUNDING scum unmercifully and without hesitation once we commit to warfare while we can. They would certainly do it to us. Issue an ultimatum and if Muslims will not clean up their own trash, carry through. One dead American is worth more than all terrorists on Earth combined.

Answer 7

Thank you my friend. I'm in iraq now, and wish people back home understood exactly what goes on down here. We are, as you said, handcuffed and beat down by the media if something happens.

Answer 8

in case you examine the object you'll see that it became McChrystal's rule. "even with the tragedies and miscues, McChrystal has issued countless the strictest directives to dodge civilian casualties that the U.S. protection stress has ever encountered in a conflict zone. this is "revolt math," as he calls it – for each danger free individual you kill, you create 10 new enemies. He has ordered convoys to curtail their reckless using, placed regulations at using air power and significantly constrained nighttime raids. He frequently apologizes to Hamid Karzai even as civilians are killed, and berates commanders to blame for civilian deaths. "For a lengthy time period," says one U.S. authentic, "the most deadly position to be in Afghanistan became in the front of McChrystal after a 'civ cas' incident." The ISAF command has even stated recommendations to make not killing into something you could win an award for: there is talk of growing a sparkling medal for "courageous restraint," a buzzword it isn't likely to achieve a lot traction contained in the gung-ho way of existence of the U.S. protection stress." "yet even with the undeniable fact that strategic they'd be, McChrystal's new marching orders have led to an severe backlash between his own troops. Being advised to carry their fireplace, infantrymen whinge, places them in additional effective possibility. "base line?" says a former particular Forces operator who has spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan. "i favor to kick McChrystal contained in the nuts. His regulations of engagement placed infantrymen' lives in even more effective possibility. each actual soldier will allow you to realize a similar element."~ the Rolling Stone artilce that you want us to examine.

Answer 9

War is war
There should be no rules
I'm sure they have no rules maybe one
KILL THEM ALL
Not part of the Q. I know but, if we want to torture them, as I'm sure they are doing to our people, torture the hell out of them

Answer 10

You should have been in the "Nam. You can't fight war by rules that change daily. There's only one rule, survive.