Atheists: Living life based on the GUESSES of imperfect humanity?

Question

What made you not believe?
Some say it's to avoid the thought of moral accountability,
others say it is lack of evidence, but the theory of evolution that you hold so dear is far from being infallible(I can't go into it's many errors now), Yet you deny a God when every thing he stands for is wisdom, love, justice, hope, peace, and righteousness.

You say his identity is man made,
Do you extensively study the Bible? If not, how can you claim something is false, when you do not know what it states.

you believe in theory, while theory is defined as speculation: abstract thought or contemplation or hypothetical principles, A hypothesis is defined as an assumption or guess.
ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK YOUR ETERNAL SOUL,THE LIFE OF GOD(peace) and a relationship with a God that loves you, because of a Theory that some man GUESSED one day. no one is yet to logically explain why Earth is positioned so perfectly outside of God . If changed slightly the Earth would be un inhabitable.

Just one of many sites that shows the flaws in evolution:

www.epm.org/articles/evolution.html

Answer 1

Yup, just like you are.

Let's start right in with your claims.

"What made you not believe? Some say it's to avoid the thought of moral accountability"

Well, some believers say that, but it's raw BS, nothing but the desperate attempts by believers to convince themselves that they're superior. Very few if any nonbelievers were motivated to nonbelief by a desire to avoid moral accountability: in fact nonbelievers as a group have clearly stronger morals than do believers.

Then you've got a lot of nonsense that's apparently supposed to stand in for evidence for the existence of a god. It isn't. Notice how you had to tap-dance around the problem? That's because there isn't any evidence for a god's existence.

Then you said that nonbelievers "believe in theory". Well, kid, so do you. Are you willing to risk "your eternal soul" for a theory that some man guessed one day? Apparently so.

"And what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week, we're just making God madder and madder!"
- Homer J. Simpson

Answer 2

"Some say it's to avoid the thought of moral accountability,"
Why is it always assumed that morality only comes from a belief in god? I've seen lots of totally immoral theists and lots of extremely moral atheists. An atheist has a moral code based on themselves and on others, not upon fear of a divine retribution from a fictional god or super-being. Once you remove the god bits it becomes generally reasonably logical common sense advice. Though shalt not steal, kill, etc. is really just common sense advice. Do you think atheists bring up their children shouting a mantra of "Kill, steal, rape!" as they grow up? It doesn't need a god to say it, but maybe atheists are more intelligent than theists and can draw their own conclusions about how to live life.

"others say it is lack of evidence, but the theory of evolution that you hold so dear is far from being infallible(I can't go into it's many errors now), Yet you deny a God when every thing he stands for is wisdom, love, justice, hope, peace, and righteousness."
Infallibility is not a word that a scientist would use, but a theory is not based on fiction either. A theory is a way to analyse and evaluate and predict. It is a tool which can be discarded as better tools come along. Most modern cutting edge theories are explaining complex situations but that doesn't make them "guesses" in the way you mean.

"You say his identity is man made,
Do you extensively study the Bible? If not, how can you claim something is false, when you do not know what it states."
It is well recognised that each bible version is different and that they conflict both with each other and internally with themselves. This is not s problem to an atheist who perceive the bible to be what it truly is, the collected written accounts of a verbal tradition. However, it should be an issue for theists who state that the bible is resolute and absolute truth. If this is the case, why can't they even agree on the fundamentals like the ten commandments? And yes, I have read the bible and the Koran (although only in translation). They are both vastly over-rated as good reads.

"you believe in theory, while theory is defined as speculation: abstract thought or contemplation or hypothetical principles, A hypothesis is defined as an assumption or guess.
ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK YOUR ETERNAL SOUL,THE LIFE OF GOD(peace) and a relationship with a God that loves you, because of a Theory that some man GUESSED one day."
Surely your forgiving god is big enough to let me make a mistake? And if she/he/it is so omnipotent, why do they need to be adored and sung to and chanted at?

" no one is yet to logically explain why Earth is positioned so perfectly outside of God . If changed slightly the Earth would be un inhabitable. "
This argument has been refuted so many times on here now it is getting boring and trite.Toss a coin a million times and record the heads and tails. Now repeat. What are the chances of getting the same sequence? Does that mean that the first sequence is impossible? The reason life is here isn't because the earth earth is positioned so perfectly for it, but because if the earth wasn't positioned so perfectly for it it wouldn't be here. It would presumably be somewhere else. Do you really believe we are unique in this whole universe and that life only exists on this tiny bit of space dust? Why did god bother with all the other stuff then and not spend a bit more time making this rock just a teeny bit more perfect? He/she/it could have left us a perfectly clean fuel source for a start and made sure the weather was inclement everywhere without those naughty tidal waves and hurricanes which are obviously the result of god's infallible design. Curiously, they are designed to kill and cause suffering to both theists and atheists alike without any seeming discretion.

Answer 3

i imagine it really is a mind element. even with the undeniable fact that, which isn't unavoidably a foul element. clearly, with very nearly 7 billion people, some would have extra or a lot less of an entire view than others. This creates a spectrum line comparing the brains of all people from least to maximum. in view that all people are not identically equivalent, this should be the case. No 2 people have a similar element of entire attitude. There are those on the finest and bottom of the line, as well as those contained in the middle; none same. hence i'd say the reason why is because we are not all alike. each little thing could purely be as an selection even with the undeniable fact that. as an get mutually, you'll not desire someone with one eye attempting to handbook a deliver which calls for bilateral creative and prescient; this individual would finally end up recking one 1/2 of the deliver. even with the undeniable fact that, one with one eye would do properly getting to smaller places purely see you later as its good extra healthful no matter if huge or small. even as its not it really is even as there are issues.

Answer 4

I am an atheist by default, not as the result of a profound speculation upon the matter. I just consider it as quite unlikely that an omnipotent being has decided to create such a world that is devoid of any spirit or beauty.

In this respect, I am a believer in Ockham's Razor. What is more likely: a god that has always existed and for whatever reason decided to create the universe? or, a quite banal explanation which scientists will at some point discover thus taking the last element of mystery from life?

Either way, it matters little to me. Who on Earth would want to live forever anyway? I am already bored of my life.

Answer 5

What 'made me not believe', if anything, is the idea that a being that created so many things would be so unutterably perverse as to give its creations free will and then have a hissy fit when they exercised it, and similarly a god who created the capacity in his creations for the physical expression of love, and then decreed that that expression was to be restricted to one type of combination - man and woman - and that it should be viewed as a sin if practiced by those who had not been married.
Call me what you will, but that seems like the mark of a deity who hasn't really thought things through to me.

I fully accept that evolution is a theory. But it's a theory worked out entirely by humans, from the facts at hand, and without resort to any unproven spiritual dimension. As such, it has more value to me, and more logic to me, than any notion of god-creation.

Yes I reject a god you claim stands for only wisdom, justice, love, hope, peace and righteousness, for the simple reason that he stands for HIS INTERPRETATION of all these things - the wisdom of giving Mankind free will and then telling us we sinned by making use of the gift, the peace of destroying human beings in Sodom and Gomorrah because they exercised their physical urges, the justice of slowing down human progress by splitting up the languages of Man at Babel, the righteousness of demanding obedience to enter paradise, and condemning all else to damnation...and so on.

I assert his identity is man-made, and have read the Bible thoroughly. To believe the Bible has any cosmic significance, one must believe it is inspired by a creator-god. Since I do not believe this is its inspiration, it follows that I argue for the falseness of its assertions on any number of things, while never disputing it makes for fascinating history.

And yes, I'm willing to risk my eternal soul for a theory. Any god that would damn my eternal soul for seeking answers he refuses to give must and will be judged a tyrant who is not worthy of the adoration of his creations. If on the other hand he doesn't exist, then human beings will continue to seek answers to how things have come to be the way they are.

Incidentally, on your final point - the earth is only positioned "perfectly" if you believe in some founding purpose to the development (or indeed creation) of life. This is equivalent to a puddle believing there must be a creator-god because the hole in which it sits fits it perfectly. If the earth were in a different relation to the sun and moon, yes it would be uninhabitable by the kind of life-forms that currently live on it. We are entirely unqualified to say it would be uninhabitable by life of any kind.

Answer 6

I don't believe in God because I don't believe in God.

Nothing "made" me "not believe". Assuming you don't believe in the Easter Bunny, what "made" you "not believe" in that? The mechanics of faith don't work that way at all, do they?

Some say a lot of things about atheists. Some say too much.

The avoidance of moral accountability isn't an issue for me because I don't accept the validity of what other people call morality in the first place. I leave all that pretentious crap to those who like to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds, because in my experience not one single individual on this planet is "morally" clean enough to run on about the morality of others. If you understand the Bible you will know that they nailed the only truly morally decent chap to a stake a long, long time ago. And since then, there have been no replacements. Plenty of wannabes, mind. But never the real deal.

I see no end of preaching about what is "morally" right and "morally" wrong on these message boards. But by what right do so many people assume the power of the almighty in order to criticise others when they, themselves, undoubtedly need to put at least some aspects of their own houses in order? And time after time it generally isn't the atheists who roll around in such hypocrisy, it's the religious types who give it the big 'un about how good they are and how bad everybody else is. Really, if it weren't so sanctimonious it might even be laughable.

I do indeed study the Bible. Every Friday, as it goes, for between four and six hours. I do not profess to be an expert about it, but where does this leave yet another of your assumptions about how I can claim something is false because I don't know what it states? If you're going to evangelise in this way, you really do need to exercise more caution. And understand that this atheist not only studies the Bible but promotes what it teaches as a good and practical guide for life.

Have you ever stopped to consider that even some of us heathens might actually hold the Bible in high regard regardless of our disbelief in God?

Can you see the irony is this statement of yours?:

"you believe in theory, while theory is defined as speculation: abstract thought or contemplation or hypothetical principles, A hypothesis is defined as an assumption or guess."

What makes YOU assume I believe in theory?

Hmmmm?

And what were you complaining about earlier with regard to people dismissing the Bible without studying it? How much study have you actually and truthfully done of the principles which underpin evolutions? I don't mean the stock rhetoric meted out in religiously biased handbooks. I mean real, honest-to-goodness, unbiased studying of a subject you seem so eager to condemn?

Judging by comments like "...because of a Theory that some man GUESSED one day." I rather think you haven't bothered actually researching a single thing. Or do you really suppose that all we currently know about evolution rests on the work of a single man?

As for your discourse in in the geophysics of the position of the earth, the best that can reasonably be said is that it is a classic example of putting the cart very firmly before the horse.

It is the distance of the earth from the sun which permits water to exist here in a liquid state, and it is in response to the presence of water in a liquid state that water dependant life evolved on earth. Of course the earth would be uninhabitable were this situation to change - but that's like saying all the fish would die if you put them in an empty bowl.

Finally, I wouldn't accept eternal life if it was handed to me on a silver platter! Why do so many religious people just assume we all want that as well? Is it really so difficult to understand that for those of us with jaded hearts the very concept of living forever is worse than appalling?

When my time on earth is done I just want to lay down and go willingly in to the night just as all living things must do in the end. I don't want anything else. I don't need anything else.

But seeing as you seem sincere, at least, you can have my share of eternity, if you would like it. To keep for yourself, or to give to somebody who may need it more than I do :o)

Peace bruvva :o)

Answer 7

Right on!
Has not man made enough mistakes that they should see man can't prove everything? All scientific proof for evolution is simply man's best guess. The first part that is wrong is ASSUMING the earth is 4.5 billion years old and humans are 2-250,000. That is taking man's belief...not fact...and there wasn't anyone here to prove it! Every single dating method man uses to show how old something is disagrees with others. They just use one that comes up with the answer they want.
I believe in 6 LITERAL days and God rested on the 7th. Any other interpretation, gap theory, millions of years, evolution etc is solely man's OPINION and NOT scripture. Evolution doesn't hold water. Evolution is solely dependent on the big bang theory. The big bang and evolution together can not answer...
where the two pieces of matter that collided came from;
what the ACTUAL probability of two of these correct pieces of matter meeting at the right time, at the right place, at the right speed, at the right angle, with the right atmospheric or lack thereof to produce things as we know it;
how a cell in the ocean morphed itself into a fishlike creature;
how this fishlike creature began to breathe air and why it would want to do so;
how and why it decided to go on land;
how it morphed itself into all the different species;
how out of this it was able to morph into a human being which is the only creature on earth with the ability to speak logically, reason, and feel emotion;
how plants survived before they "learned" photosenthesis;
why the holy grail of evolution (Berkley) says on its site that this is what they BELIEVE to be true but is not fact;

All scientific answers are man's best GUESS. There is NO absolute fact, try as he might and as smart as he thinks he is. People think since we get in a car and it takes us where we are going (sometimes) and you can turn on a computer and do most anything (sometimes) man can put a date on things billions of years ago based on things they "think" happened. Problem is, man makes mistakes and evolution is just one of the many.
I have a choice. I can fold in to their way of thinking so I don't get made fun of and then have to answer to God, OR I can allow them to scoff at me and then let THEM answer to Him. I choose the latter. Atleast I can say they have been told. They will have no excuse.
There is only ONE True God.


http://planttel.net/~meharris1/mikescorner.html

Answer 8

You say we deny a God that stands for wisdom, love, justice, hope, peace, and righteousness, yet all I have seen in the past is killing and bloodshed in His name and a countless number of preachers that insist on shoving this tripe down everyone else's throat.

Christianity's grip on the world is not as tight as it once was, you should let go of your preaching allow others to coexist regardless of your own beliefs. Do you honestly believe that people of Hindu or Buddist religion are going to Hell?

Answer 9

Well they believe that they are absolutely correct when they say there is no God. They blindly believe in evolution and other 'theories' that have never been proven. Takes more faith to be an atheist than a Theist.

Answer 10

YES Sure..!

Evolution is guessing.. and unproved!.
Whats proved is Adam & Eve and the apple tree..?

All the scientific streams are built on assumptions, what's with that? what's so different with evolution?

Anyway, an atheist doesn't have to believe in evolution to be so, opening your eyes clearly for 2 minutes is enough to make you an atheist.