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Also does anyone know if he had to provide more samples the day after his positive test and were these tests positive too ?

2006-08-28 22:09:38 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous in Sports Cycling

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Neither. I think his own team did it to him because I had learn from a friend of mine testosterone would have be injected into body. Orally wouldn't work so, if he was on his bike throughout the entire race wouldn't OLN catch it on live TV.

2006-08-28 23:24:22 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

French Set up!!

Ok maybe not a set up on a grand scale as in the French Cycling Governing body, but could very easily be a few people at the testing facility. Since the testing Facility does not have to prove its testing doctrines are as strict as possible, or that the procedures were properly followed. This makes it harder for Landis to prove there were other things happening to his blood besides it just being drawn and tested.

Also Landis would have to be one of the dumbest people on the earth to take testosterone for one single day. I've read time and again testosterone is not a performance enhancing substance like EPO, it is something that would be used in training to help him recover faster and train harder. That much testosterone and there is still doubt as to whether his testosterone was significantly higher or whether his epitestosterone was significantly lower.

I'm not sure if he was tested the day after his positive test, but I do know he was tested at least 4 times during the tour and none of the other times came back with a single sample being positive. None of the races he won earlier in the year showed a positive result for testosterone either so seems odd that only one test in 4 came back not only with a positive A but also a positive B sample. If he was using testosterone why did he not test positive on any other samples during any of his other races?

The thing to remember too is that the testing facility that has found Landis guilty is also the same facility that tried to accuse Lance Armstrong of doping back in the 1999 Tour. They also have very obvious lack of discipline in the facility as Lances tests were given to Le'Equipe before Lance had even been notified. The cycling governing body announced Landis test so quickly because they feared the information would leak to the media before they could follow their own procedures. If they know there are leaks then doesn't this also leave doubts about the validity of the test?

Stand strong Floyd!!

2006-08-29 10:47:12 · answer #2 · answered by Dru 2 · 1 0

I think the first thing you have to ask is: "what does each party stand to gain or lose?"

Floyd Landis: Taking a massive dose of testosterone for a single, targeted stage is fairly useless and hugely risky. There's no reason for Floyd to have done so in a desperate attempt to bounce back from a horrible performance the day before; the single-day impact is minimal. Also, his plan from the start was to go on the attack and all stage winners are guaranteed to be tested. At first glance, not much to gain, a lot to lose.

Tour de France: The Tour is run by A.S.O., the same organization that owns L’Equipe and other French sports publications. It’s become painfully clear that the Tour directors resent the Lance dynasty and have done much to directly tarnish his reputation. Coincidentally, the lab used by the Tour “somehow” keeps leaking information – some false – to the media, including L’Equipe. How odd! One could, therefore, build a strong case that the Tour is out to get Lance, and perhaps all prominent American participants – including Landis. I would argue, however, that even if this were so, you have to consider what Le Tour stands to lose: Money. A lot of it. Already, Phonak (Landis’ team) has announced they are withdrawing their sponsorship. Other team and race sponsors have similarly withdrawn in recent years, and the German network licensed to broadcast Le Tour has threatened to cease its coverage. Why would Le Tour risk all of that just to vindictively destroy the career of an American who is not likely to ever win again? This was a transitional year, marred by scandal before it began. Landis was lucky his main rivals were excluded from the race and his remarkable riding was a great story for everyone, including the French.

No, we need to look again at Floyd. If you “follow the money,” Le Tour has much more to lose than gain, while Landis stands to make a fortune by winning the race. So, if it’s so risky and useless, why testosterone? The key is that Floyd was not busted based on the actual amount of testosterone in his body, it was the ratio between that and epitestosterone, recorded at 11:1 (1:1 is normal in most cases, but the rules allow for up to 4:1). Also, the substance was synthetic (not produced by Floyd’s own body). The conclusion a lot of insiders are making is that he was taking regular doses to aid with recovery, and also taking epitestosterone to maintain a normal ratio. Someone messed up the amounts he took. This certainly implicates others; Floyd could not be acquiring and administering the substances on his own. His team must have been involved.

I’m afraid the only other explanation is the “crackpot theory,” which is to say that someone, for whatever reason, tainted his samples (both of them). This is not beyond possibility, but the number of people with access to do so is extremely limited. This scenario has to be considered and investigated, but given what is known so far, I can only conclude that Landis is lying. Yes, I said it. He is more than likely lying to cover up the fact that he did in fact cheat and he will almost certainly lose his title and his stage win. It’s messy, it’s sad, it’s regrettable; it’s probably also the truth.

2006-08-29 18:55:50 · answer #3 · answered by Pablo 3 · 0 0

SET-UP!

1. The UCI rules state that a cyclist cannot be found guilty of doping from the results of their A sample. Until the B sample is confirmed positive, no information can be released. The French broke their own rules by leaking info to the public without testing the B sample.

2. Floyd was taking cortisone shots for his hip, and cortisone is a steroid injection. He had one a couple weeks before the Tour and another one during the race. He had a doctor's affirmation for the shots, and the shots were approved by the UCI. The French knew he was taking steroid shots and OK'ed it before the race even started.

3. There is no mention what stage Floyd had his second cortisone shot, but since cortisone shots usually last for about a month he probably thought one before the race would last until Paris. Stage 16, and Floyd was sucking @ss, probably in excruciating pain with his hip. What are the chances that he finished the stage and received his second cortisone shot before Stage 17, resulting in elevated testosterone levels after finishing?

Basically, the French and the UCI aren't even playing by their own rules and the media has already crucified Landis. Smells like a setup to me.

2006-08-29 15:04:41 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Neither, he was desperate to win after doing so well and then falling behind more than 8 minutes, he did something wrong. The French had no need to set him up, he's not Lance. Why did Lance win 7 straight the French hated it but could do nothing about it. Drop the conspiracy theory - Floyd cheated.

2006-08-29 19:04:26 · answer #5 · answered by tesorotx 5 · 0 0

Both of landis tests came back positive.There is now an appeals process to go through but most cycling journos agree he is guilty of using a banned substance.There is no other logical way of explaing such a massive form reversal in twentyfour hours.

2006-08-29 06:59:31 · answer #6 · answered by jb1 4 · 0 0

he was probably just upset after losing 8 mins the day before , and actually injection isnt the only thing that would work. testosterone being taken orally wouldnt work but a patch on...a sensitive part...would.
i dont think the french have anything againd floyd...i think hes just stupid!!

2006-08-29 20:33:48 · answer #7 · answered by runlikeagirl19 2 · 1 0

Set up. The French are sore losers. Losing 7 years in a row was too much for them..

2006-08-29 17:31:02 · answer #8 · answered by Vinegar Taster 7 · 0 1

I think its a set up .. but testerone can be taken orally, and most people do that coz it doesn't show up when taken orally

2006-08-31 04:35:21 · answer #9 · answered by Blondie_13 2 · 0 1

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