does this sound pro life to you?

Question

In essence, all women that have had abortions should be in prison or on death row since they committed murder.

death row, sounds kind of hypocritical to me....

Answer 1

I'm a believer in the sanctity of all life and I'm extremely offended by those types of mindsets.
I totally agree that this mindset is completely hypocritical.

The solution is not to make abortion illegal, but to reduce the need for abortions.

Answer 2

I am very, very opposed to abortion, yet I support the death penalty. The fact I feel this way does not make me or anyone else who feels this way a hypocrite. There is a huge, whole world of difference between taking the life of an innocent unborn child whose only crime was to be the one conceived because the mother and father lacked the self control and responsibility necessary to use birth control and is now an inconvenience, and taking the life of someone who has committed murder. Why shouldn't the mother, as well as the doctor who performed the abortion not spend time in jail? An innocent life was taken, was it not? Murder is murder, and no amount of court decisions or people who claim to know better saying abortion is a matter of privacy and should be left to the mother is going to change the fact that abortion is murder.

Abortion and the death penalty are two very different subjects, with two very different mind sets as to why they are done. To try and compare these two and say they are the same is equal to saying a watermelon and a grapefruit are the same because they are both fruits.

I am now going to follow your thoughts to their logical conclusion.
Based on what I have read, you believe the death penalty is wrong. Keeping that in mind, Ted Bundy, who is responsible for 7 murders we know of for sure, never should have been given the death penalty and had that sentence carried out. Gary Ridgway, who is convicted in 68 murder\rapes, and is suspected in over 400 other murder\rapes should not receive the death penalty. I suppose those two glowing and shinning examples should be released back in to the public so they can kill and rape again, because killing by way of the death penalty is wrong.

Answer 3

Wait, Wait Wait.
First, The problem with the abortion debate is that people stop thinking. They get all emotional, and turn their brains off. It's all "GET YOUR FILTHY LAWS OFF MY BODY!" or "YOU DISGUSTING BABY-KILLER! WHAT KIND OF MOTHER KILLS THEIR BABY?!?!?" Y'know. That's what we do. If anyone ever actually thought about the issues, they stopped the thinking a long time ago.
Or men might say "Well, I've never had to have a baby, so I'll keep my nose out of it." Stupid thing to say. It's a question of logic. Are men spontaneously rendered incapable of illogical thought when someone says the magic word "abortion?"

Lets think for a second, instead of cussing out those who disagree with us by reflex.

There are essentially two competing claims in this pro-life/pro-choice debate.
And they are both questions of logic, and justice. Either side you're on, it's a evry important issue.
Claim #1: A woman has a right to do with her body as she wishes. The government should not infringe on her freedoms in this regard. Now, this is very very important. It's a fundamental principle of modern society. I don't want the government telling me if & when I can get my ears pierced, or my appendix removed.
Claim #2: A baby has a fundamental right to life, as all humans do. This too, is a foundational principle of all governments! We cannot just arbitrarily kill people we don't like.
So I hope everyone can see that the abortion issue clearly pits two fundamental issues against each other. It's a question of logic & justice.
However, it seems to me that, if Claim #2 is right, and a fetus is actually a life, the importance of not murdering is more substantial than the importance of not telling someone not to remove a mass of tissue from their chest (which has the moral weight of telling someone to get breast-reduction surgery. Morally, that is what claim #1 is equivalent to.)
I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm really irritated by the way people talk about abortion.


Now, on to the actual question.
1) I don't agree with this statement. But it's only hypocritical if you phrase it precisely the way you did.

This is a question of justice.

Tell me, what is just? Is it just that someone who actually rapes & slaughters another gets the death penalty? Well, to be precise, justice would be that they themselves were raped & murdered. That would be pure justice.

Of course, we in the modern world get nervous about this for a few good reasons.
1) In the real world, there is rarely certainty that the accused is actually guilty. Most of us don't have the stomach (and rightfully so!) to execute someone that 'probably did it.'
2) In the West, we have a strong tradition of mercy (which, for the record is inherited from 1500 years of Christiandom). We would typically rather try and rehabilitate a person. It's hard to rehabilitate someone if they're executed.
3) Justice frequently simply takes the shape of revenge. Nasty.

So we generally do not actually EXECUTE perfect justice in cases of murder. But I think it is clear to everyone that precise justice is that a murderer is murdered.


However, to kill an infant before they've done anything at all, much less anything wrong? That's CLEARLY not just. It's CLEARLY unjust.


Assuming, of course, that pro-lifers are correct, and what is aborted is a baby and not just a...fetus-wad-of-tissue.

So clearly, the person that actually said this meant that it is UNJUST for a mother to murder her own child, and the just punishment for such a thing is to kill the mother. That's justice, if she's right about abortion being murder.


-Stephen

Answer 4

Excellent question!! Yes, so I am anti-death penalty and pro-life. That doesn't fit well into a political party, but it isn't as hypocritical. You make a good point. If we don't have a right to take away someone's right to life, how can we punish an abortion committer with death? You're right, it is hypocritical. But then, are wars wrong too? Is killing in self-defense ok? These are all hard questions that come out.

But abortion cannot be defended. You are taking away someone's right to life without their consent. At least in the death penalty, if you committed the crime knowingly and willingly then you are responsible and you did have a choice: to kill or not to kill. And you CHOSE to kill, so you CAN be punished by death according to our justice system. I still find it wrong to kill under any circumstances, but that's how it is defended and justified and thank you for the great question.

Answer 5

Why does It have to be the Women? why not the Men? Ok I know a lot of women choose to have an abortion. but where are the men? a lot of times men give women a choice the baby or him. a lot of times women are pushed into a abortions. by Fathers Husbands Boyfriends. what then? do we Just punish the women and let the men go free? I don't think so.

P.S. I also know a lot of Women abort the Baby without the Fathers ok. that is WRONG!!!. but remember it takes 2 to make a Baby. so lets not always blame the Mother Peace Oh and I DO NOT Support abortions

Answer 6

Death row would be appropriate for premeditated murder. The difference is, the baby was innocent, it did no wrong. The mother, and the doctor purposefully killed the baby, that is murder and worthy of the death penalty according to law. If abortion on demand is ever made illegal, those who aborted before the new law would be exempt.

Answer 7

To compare hardened criminals to unborn babies is probably the most rediculous thing I hear Pro-choice advocates use. In that theory we should really be able to just kill anyone we want to if there is no major difference between a mass murderer and an innocent baby right?

Please read the dictionary and look up the word "hypocritical" before you use it. There isnt anything remotely hypocritical about "dont kill babies" and "Convicted mass murderers should be put to death"

Answer 8

I am Pro-Life but given the 30 years of misinformation by Planned Parenthood these mothers are not guilty of intentionally murdering their children. The Supreme Court, Big Business, Politicians, Judges, and many others were deceiving many women into actions that were harmful to women and children.

So, I do not believe that these women are responsible, because of the lies that were told to them to procure the murder of their children. They were tricked and deceived for a political agenda by nine men in robes.

Answer 9

Yeah that sounds pretty stupid to me. I personally am pro life but I can understand if women how have been victims of rape or molestation chose to do so. All the women I have ever talked to who got an abortion regretted the decision for the rest of their life afterward so I think that the regret alone is enough for them to have to deal with...they shouldn't be punished.

Answer 10

Although I feel abortion is wrong, I could not condemn a Woman to death for having one. that is true Hypocrisy, most churches teach that mercy and forgiveness are divine attributes all must display.

in other words leave the past in the past, most likely she has suffered enough emotionally way make her pay for what you see as a bad decision

Answer 11

Actually, their is no need to send them to prison for they are already in prison emotionally for the thing that they have done. What they need to know is that they are forgiven by the One who created them and gave His life for them. All they need to do is confess their sin and accept Jesus and His forgiveness.
God is the judge not me.
Oh and about Roe vs. Wade. Do you know that Roe went back to court because she came to an understanding that the abortion that she fought so hard for was murder. She lost this time. Roe realized the damage it causes.