If AIDS is a punishment for fornication, drug use and being gay? explain getting it from 1st Aid. doctor=sin?

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If AIDS is a punishment for fornication, drug use and being gay?

Explain the fact yoo get it from blood ie FIRST AID ON INJURED PEOPLE.

How about being in an train wreck and you cut your self on jagged metal from where someone with AIDS or hepitus got cut? or similar?

How about then giving it to your unborn baby. What the baby do when born?

Or how about husband giving it to wife after he saved somone or even bumped int a junkie and got pricked on a needle?

So chance and helping people... is that a sin now?

Who about body contact ieshaking hands to transmit ebola or caughng to spread plague, TB etc...


Or ia it this nonsense about sin is just a means of controling people and the relgious want these deseases to stay as it gived them power over people by fear and no god at all?

Nurse and others . In casd some got it wrong Im def of the its just a desease and this post is in response to all theose relgious citing aids as a reason for no sex before marriage proviging that you can get it other ways...


Nurse most giving first ais DONT HAVE GLOVES AT THE READY AND IN A DESASTER THE 30 second rule you mentioned is likely to be bokens with blood spilling everywhere and jagged metal everywhere.

And I once grabbed somone falling off a bus in a druggy area and felt a prick so that is possible

Answer 1

AIDS is not a punishment for anything. It's a disease. Preventable with sensible precautions.

Answer 2

I don't believe that it is a punishment.

I do believe that it is a consequence of recreational drug use (primarily) and other life style factors (multiple sex partners (I am not talking 2 or 3, but 6 new ones a day in some cases, other real STDs, lack of sleep, lack of adequate nutrition, overuse of antibiotics - treatment of other STDs, steroids, etc).

The whole HIV nonsense was created to eliminate the issue of personal accountability for the crazy, fast track, gay communities that developed in the late 70 primarily in NYC and San Fran.

One of the problems with our society is that is is very unaccepting of gays and we have forced them into this social, cultural, geographical, and sometimes hidden world of excess and promiscuity because we don't recognize long term, monogamous relationships for gays.

The use of drugs is to numb the pain of social stigma and self-loathing that many gays feel because they are not allowed to live normal lives.

The incident of transmission of "AIDS" by the ways you describe is slight or practically non-existant so as to negate any need to worry. I would worry more about death from the trauma of a train wreck than the transmission of AIDS. There have been only about 5 cases of medical professionals/crisis responders seroconverting since the alleged epidemic occurred. They are around a lot of blood. If the risk was as alleged, these professionals/ responders would be dropping dead, left and right in spite of precaution. Needle sticks happen all the time, ask any surgeon or surgical nurse.

I would research the effects of cocaine, meth, heroin, and malnutrition/protein deficiency on the immune system and rethink the AIDS conclusion.

I would also read about the gay life style/personal of the initial people that got AIDS.

I would also research the AIDS test, that neither tests for AIDS or HIV. I would also research the definition of AIDS nationally and internationally, look into how the diagnosis is given and how the underlying "AIDS" diseases are dispersed amoung males, females, and countries.

I would research the approximately 75 other conditions that can cause a positive result on the so called AIDS test.


You will conclude that there is not a virus that causes "AIDS" and that everything that you thought you knew/were told was wrong.

A recent study came out regarding lesbians and AIDS. The ten percent (approximately) that first denied other risk factors (namely excessive drug use) other than homosexuality, later admitted the other risk factors. The study basically concluded that there was a slight risk to eating p*ssy in HIV transmission/development of AIDS. The real analysis, applying common sense, is that people lie about illegal drug use. Dont be fooled.

God is not punishing the gays any more than God punished the Jews with Hitler. God does not act this way.

Answer 3

Aids is a virus. It is not a punishment from god.

It has a very short lifespan outside of the host body. There is next to no danger of getting infected from touching infected blood.

It is not possible to contact AIDS from someone by touching them or breathing the same air as them, unless there is a direct exchange of bodily fluids in the act.

Transmission is from direct fluid transfer, i.e. sexual contact and transfusion. Transfusion includes sharing infected needles. While there has been no recorded incident of AIDS transmission from oral sex, it is possible.

It is not a gay disease. Due to the small number of homosexuals, it struck a larger proportion of them. There are quite a few heterosexuals with AIDS.

It is very likely that a child born of an infected mother will have the AIDS virus.

Service professionals take every precaution when they save lives. Yes, it is more dangerous for them then most people since they are in contact with infected people (not just AIDS but many, many other items, including the simple flu) but they are aware of the risk and protect themselves.

There is a LOT of misinformation out there. I urge you to contact a service professional and ask these same questions. The Red Cross or the Center for Disease Control will be more than happy to help you in any way they can.

Answer 4

Aids is no more about sin than any other illness. As far as punishment for homosexuality is concerned, how ridiculous is that? One of the few groups that cannot get Aids sexually are Lesbians! Blood donated to help other people, prior to effective Aids testing, has meant that many innocent people, already requiring medical attention, are then infected. What about Aids passed on to children? To say that this is punishment from God is hysterical, and not in a good way. Don't blame God for this. God's the one inspiring people to find the solutions. God is the one giving people love enough to care for infected people, even at the risk of their own lives.

Answer 5

Good Lord have mercy. I am a nurse. AIDS is simply a disease, it is a sexually transmitted disease that did get it's start over here as a result of homosexuality (like it or not, read "And The Band Played On" if you have time to read a 500+ page book) in the bath houses. Is it punishment from God? Well, no!! It is what it is, a disease process. Did it start out as a result of sexual desires and practices, yep, it sure did. Facts are facts, you can't change them just because you don't like them or they fly in the face of what you want to believe or the way you want things to be. It simply is and must be accepted, researched and hopefully one day cured.

In response to all the ways that you have listed in your missive as to how you get AIDS, you answered your own question. It's in the BLOOD. If you give first aide to someone who is bleeding you NEED to wear gloves. If you are having sex, gay or straight with someone you know nothing about, you NEED to put a condom on (male and female). It is unlikely that you will cut yourself on a piece of jagged metal from a train wreck that has been tainted with HIV infected blood(have you ever considered writing scripts for movies of the week?), but in the event that you do have that happen, the HIV virus can only live outside the body for something like 30 secs, so, you're probably safe in the jagged metal train wreck department.
Mother's who unknowingly get HIV from an irresponsible partner and pass it along to their unborn child are to be pitied and taken care of. Mother's who knowingly have unprotected sex(and yes it does happen) with a partner that has HIV and passes it to her unborn child should be arrested for murder. The children should be helped no matter what the circumstances.
I have worked in many ER's and hospitals both large and rural and have yet to meet anyone who has accidentally bumped into a junkie wielding a dirty needle from his pocket.

In conclussion, your arguments are just a bunch of crap, people, Christian or non Christian, want to see this disease cured and if not cured then controlled. Some over zealous churches like the "God Hates Fags" idiots at Westboro Baptist Church in TN will say that God brought this disease about as a plague on the homosexual community. Most intelligent, thinking people, again Christian and non Christian know that is a bunch of crap and DO NOT adhere to that train(wreck) of thought.

I must correct one thing, The Westboro Baptist church idiots are from Kansas. Thank God, I thought they were from the south and we don't need any more bad press. Good Christian that I am I needed to get that straight wouldn't want to be accused of lying.

Answer 6

Hello Info,

Aids is an illness possibly put into our society's by man to bring down populations. We as man are very good at putting sin and sickness into the world without the help of God. And its all to do with POWER AND MONEY and trying to control the masses. I think we as MAN are responsible for our corruption we need to stop blaming God. If we are wise we will choose God because he is the only way out of a mess we have made our selves. Sin puts us in separation from God and Jesus the Son part of the God head is the only way back.

Answer 7

The idea that these diseases are punishment for sin kicks back to a doctrine that says that good things will happen to good people and bad things will happen to bad people. This isnt always the case. In fact it is quite often the opposite. Even within the bible cases of this are found (you need look no further than in Ecclesiastes or Job to find this). This kind of thinking stems from ignorance, and even Jesus condemned this sort of thinking.
Also if these diseases were the punishment for those sins, why dont all of those sinners end up with those diseases? The spread of these diseases is a matter of science and while I am a man of faith I find it repulsive to attempt to scare people with these sort of threats. So in answer to your last questions, yes people who have power in some places in religion use these sort of things to scare people, but then not even religious people are perfect (even if they try to tell you they are).

Answer 8

I believe you hit the nail on the head with your last observation. All religions have rules that to some extent are meant to control people. Religions have rules that don't make any sense now, but in a time long ago, when people needed explanations for things, they made a lot of sense. Now people still follow the old world beliefs despite the modern discoveries and what modern science suggests. So yes, I think it is nonsense about sins and it is a means of controlling people.

Answer 9

The first thing that someone should be considering is whether the idea of sin is actually real.

If God is supposed to be perfect how could She have made anything or anyone that wasn't.
Think about it. The idea of sin assumes certain things about God that seem highly unlikely.
All this talk about sin sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me.

First it assumes a God who is too incompetent to organize a simple educational field excursion and figure out a way to get all of the students home safely.

How likely is this that God would not be smart enough to come up with a plan for our salvation that is going to work?

It also assumes that God must have created us imperfect if we are sinners.

One might assume that God would be able to create someone perfect each and every time if he chose to. Assuming God is capable of this, then it follows logically that we must be perfect creations if we are actually creations of this perfect God.

Unless of course you are saying that God chose to create us imperfect.

If God created us imperfect then anything that may go wrong is Gods fault, not ours. This seems a bit illogical at best so I think that we need to assume that What God creates would have to be perfect.

If this is the case and Gods creations are perfect, then nothing that we can do could change what God created perfect and make it imperfect unless we think that we are more powerful than God is.

How likely is it that we the creation could be more powerful than the creator. I personally find this idea somewhat amusing, and a bit absurd.

Religion tells us that God is perfect. If this is true then it could hardly be logically for Gods creations to be considered to be anything less than perfect.

If this is the case then Nothing that we can ever do could possibly change this perfection that God willed, unless we were so powerful that our choices could override and change the will of God.

How likely is that????

Think about it.

The idea of sin is simple nonsense; a lie made up about God by religion.

Love and blessings
don

Answer 10

HIV is a species that got lucky in crossing from apes to humans and evolving for a while until the onset of modern travel and the use of needles for ilegal drugs and medical use has given it the opportunity to spread rapidly round the world.
Religion has made things worse where religious bigots have discouraged condom use and spread misinformation, notably the roman catholic church in Africa.
If there is a god do not blame him/her.

Answer 11

people choose to believe that this is the punishment for being gay or having too much sex, but it's just a disease. If illnesses are punishments from God, then what did someone do to get a fever? Or bird flu?

Nothing, that's what.