The true nature of the doctrine of the Trinity?

Question

I asked a question earlier and people misunderstood both me and the Bible but I think I got it now...

First, The "One, Triune God" is different than "God the Father"...

Therefore Jesus is part of "God" but he is not "God the Father," nor the "Holy Spirit." That much is evident... They are three seperate personalities, no if's and's or but's about it.

Second, they are united as one with each other's wills... That is, The will of the Father is the will of the Son is the will of the Holy Spirit... but as humans, we can strive to make the will of "God" (not "God the Father") our own and thereby become "One" with them as well... per John 17:20-24.

So, is this assumption right? I think I just mixed the semantics up... "God the Father" is different than "God." Therefore, Jesus can pray to the Father and still have it make sense because he is not the Father (which is what I have believed all along) although he is untied together with the Father in the "one, triune God."

yes/no?

Answer 1

The trinity is very confusing, one should look at the origin of the trinity and then the scriptures to see if it is the right doctrine. The trinity does not appear in the bible and dates back to well after the bible was finalized. I have heard from many people that believe in the trinity say that we will never fully understand it because it is too complex in nature, which goes against what I believe that if you research the scriptures, you will find the truth.

Answer 2

They/He are not only unified in will, but in essence of what makes a Deity a Deity. It is in part a mystery that we will not fully understand until later. Some express the Father, Son and holy Spirit as modes the one true God operates in. Others express it as distinct "persons" or "manifestations." The important thing to know is that there is only one God, and that there is only one name under heaven by which people may be saved from the consequences of corruption. That is Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life. Believing in one God is not enough, as the scripture points out that demons believe it, and they shudder.

Does God pray to Himself? He does if He is the Living Example of what we should be doing.

How do our prayers benefit an Almighty God? How can our rebellion harm Him? Neither is possible.

Can his prayer benefit Himself or sway His own opinion? No. Can it teach us? I suppose that depends on whether we are teachable.

Answer 3

You are right, Jesus is not the Father, He is the Son of God. Do you realize how many ??? I have had to go through to get a good Bible ???, you would think "Yahoo" would clean this program up. It's disgustingly foul and unpleasant, it was not this way in the beginning.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.

Answer 4

Foreword

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With sincerity we pray that God will grant the reader grace to accept the truth as it is in Christ Jesus.

We certainly do not want to miss heaven. Let us therefore heed the prophet's words: "Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls" (Jeremiah 6:16).

The Bible

The Bible is the inspired Word of God, giving a true history of the creation of heaven, earth, and humanity and containing a correct prophecy of the ages to come regarding heaven, earth, and the destiny of humanity. Moreover, there is no salvation outside of what is taught in its pages.


God
There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit).

Father

God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation.
He is the First and the Last, and beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).
There was no God formed before Him; neither shall be there any after Him (Isaiah 43:10).

Son

Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1:23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16);He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8);the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6).

Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:7-11) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5)and came to earth as a man in order to save us, for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, "Beside me there is no Saviour." When He came in flesh the angels sang, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).

Holy Ghost

The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the comforter, Sustainer, and keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11).

Answer 5

Yes, however, on judgement day Jesus sits on the right hand of God, so while they are individuals and of one mind, they are also seperate beings, even in Heaven. I believe from experience that it is God with all the authority and power who we are to pray to using the son of God as reference.

Answer 6

The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost are three seperate beings. When it says they are one, it means that the all work as one. They have the same Ideas and work towards that idea. What I'm trying to say is, They have a bond that makes them work as one with teamwork.

Also, just think of it. When Jesus was praying in Gethsemane, who do you think he was praying to? Himself? No, he can't pray to himself.

Answer 7

God is one (not three persons or three personalities or one personality in more than one body, but only one Lord who is Jesus Christ).

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is like the soul, the body and the works in a single person. God is one in mind and in body and in works like a single person is one person.

The difference between God and man is that God is infinite and eternal (not in time or space) and is all powerful and all knowing:

"This only One and very Self is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. This also every Christian acknowledges from his doctrine and every gentile from his religion. In consequence, wherever he is, a man thinks that God is there and that he prays to God at hand; thinking and praying so, men cannot but think that God is everywhere, that is, omnipresent [in all places at all times]; likewise omniscient [all knowing] and omnipotent [all powerful]. Everyone praying to God, therefore, implores Him from the heart to lead him because He can lead him; thus he acknowledges the divine omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence, doing so in turning his face to the Lord; thereupon the truth flows in from the Lord" (Divine Providence n. 157).

Answer 8

Jesus is one with God the father they have one thought desire but as Jesus was on earth he prayed so his desciples could see and hear what he was saying for their benefit not his

Answer 9

yes