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Here's my point:

When Jesus was baptized and God the Father said "This is my son, in whom I am well-pleased" - do you think that Jesus was talking to himself?

Immediately thereafter, when the "spirit descended upon him like a dove" do you think that God was descending upon himself?

When Jesus prayed to God the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane "Not my will, but thy will be done" do you think that he meant "not my will be done, but MY will be done"?

When Jesus says "I and the Father are one" is that "oneness" different than the prayer he makes to God the Father that "They may all be one as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, and that they may be one in us."?

How could Jesus be God if God was his father?

Read John 17:20 and ask yourself if it is 3 in one, or 6 billion+ in one.

I did my own research and came up with this: There is no Trinity.

Can anyone prove me wrong?

2006-08-28 05:46:42 · 18 answers · asked by Ether 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

18 answers

I cut-n-paste from my own web pages.....

Indeed the word trinity is not in the Bible, but the indicators certainly are.
Look up Psalm 45, and Psalm 110. Both indicate THE GOD speaking to
"HIS OTHER".....also......The Trinity is indicated in 1 John 5:7 if you are using
a King James Bible (others have removed or altered same).

In the Old Testament see Isaiah 44:6 --- and His redeemer I am ---.
and Isaiah 45:11 --- And His maker --.

My favourite indicator is 1 Corinthians 15:28 ! At some point The Trinity will once
again unite because THEN there will be no need for The Trinity !

Water appears as a liquid, steam, and ice. All three are one.
A Clover leaf has three segments, it is but ONE clover.

In both situations above, three are one. Why can't THE GOD do the same?

2006-08-28 05:51:05 · answer #1 · answered by whynotaskdon 7 · 1 2

I doubt it, since you seem to have your mind made up, but what the heck, I'm an optimist.

Tertullian, one of the early church fathers, coined the term "Trinity." The word actually means "three-ness." Tertullian was an ardent supporter of orthodoxy in the church, and was one of the greatest defenders of the historic Christian faith.

The term "Trinity" is not found in the Scriptures, but the doctrine is clearly displayed. There are many times where Jesus said of Himself that He was God. He applied the name of God, "I AM," to Himself in several passages. Here's a few examples: Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8, John 4:26, John 6:20, John 8:24, 28, 58, and John 13:19. There are several others I have not listed. Besides this, Jesus said that He & the Father were one (John 10:30). This describes a unity, even though there are two.

The Trinity has an underlying appearance in the Old Testament as well. In Genesis, we see during creation that God said, "Let us make man in our image." and also when man sinned, God said, "...man has become as one of us, to know good and evil..." Who was He speaking to? The other persons of the Trinity. We also see that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in the beginning, and in John 1:1-3, it clearly states that Jesus (the Word) made everything.

Another angle to pursue is the various Scriptures that demonstrate that God's attributes are present in Jesus as well as the Holy Spirit. For example, the Father is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and so is the Son (John 1:2), and so is the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14). Another shared attribute is their holiness. Only God is truly holy. The Father is holy (Revelation 15:4), so is the Son (Acts 3:14), and so is the Spirit (Acts 1:8).

An ancient diagram of the Trinity can be helpful in getting your hands around the doctrine, and can be found at the link in the SOURCE list.

The Trinitarian doctrine requires much more depth of discussion than can occur here. It is important to know that we only have to believe, not necessarily understand, the Trinitarian nature of God. It is a bedrock doctrine of the Christian church. Anything else is heresy.

2006-08-28 05:50:45 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19).

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

2006-08-28 05:53:43 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

Matthew 28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"

This formula is a strong affirmation of trinitarianism. Also-

2 Cor.13:14
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen."

This was a reminder to the Corinthians that they had received "grace" from the Lord Jesus Christ, "love" from God the Father, and "communion" with God and each other through the Holy Spirit. Who but God can grant these blessings?

2006-08-28 06:13:40 · answer #4 · answered by Hope 5 · 1 0

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

Jesus IS God and Holy Spirit
The Godhead is made of The Father, The Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
This is called the Trinity. They are different, and yet the same.

Some people think Christians worship three Gods, and now this is not true. Because the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are ONE.

When we pray, we pray In Jesus Name, because human were cut off from God because of sin, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, we have that "bridge" which connects us to the Father again.

Jesus said He is the way, and no one will come to the Father except through Him.

Today, Jesus is still that "bridge" for you and me. He will continue to intercede for us until He comes again.

2006-08-28 06:07:17 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

No not from the bible texts alone even though it's implicitly there.
As a matter of fact there was a big sect inthe beginning of Christianity who did not believe in the Most Holy Trinity they were called Arians at one point they were more numerous than Catholics.
The Arians used the Scriptures to show there was no Trinity.
The Catholic faith survived though with the help of St Athanasius who in his defence of the Trinity was exiled seven times and almost killed.
You need the authority of the Church to really know that God is Triune.

2006-08-28 05:55:49 · answer #6 · answered by carl 4 · 0 0

The first letter of John 5:7, For there are three that bear record in Heaven, The Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

2006-08-28 06:04:22 · answer #7 · answered by God's Servant 3 · 1 0

The Trinity is *NOT* a biblical teaching, and it has no place in true Christianity. Interestingly, pre-Christian Judaism also rejected the Babylonish ideas about a triple-god, which is why Scriptures such as Deut 6:4 are so meaningful:

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah


This is related to an interesting exchange between Jesus and certain Pharisees. They tried to protest that Jesus' claim to be "the light of the world" must be rejected as the claim of a single person, Jesus reminded them that a distinct, separate person confirmed Jesus' own testimony:

(John 8:17-19) Also, in your own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’ I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”

Clearly, such clear logic on Jesus' part would have been significantly muddied if Jesus himself were also claiming to be God. The Jews knew that Jesus never taught that he was God, but rather that Jesus was a separate and distinct person, the Son of God.

Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/library/g/2005/4/22/article_01.htm

2006-08-28 06:54:11 · answer #8 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 1 3

God's word easily proves you wrong.

Isaiah 42:1 -- "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen, in whom My soul delights: I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles."

There are THREE entities here: "I," "My Servant," and "My Spirit."


And how about Isaiah 61:1 --

"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon Me; because Jehovah has anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;…"

Again, there are THREE entities here: "the Spirit of the Lord Jehovah," "Jehovah," and "Me." Note, Isaiah 61 is the Messiah, Jesus Christ, speaking.


Consider Isaiah 48:16 --

16 “ Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”

Again, there are three entities: "Me," "the Lord God[YHWH]," and "His Spirit."

Also, you must consider the fact that the word translated as "God" in your English Bible is the Hebrew word "Elohim," which is a PLEURAL word. From the beginning, God has explicitly told humankind that He is One, yet He has three distinct Natures, all of which are divine.

I hope this helps.

2006-08-28 06:07:36 · answer #9 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 0 0

We can't understand it... We are limited in understanding and knowledge... God is unlimited in everything... He could exist
simultaneously in 40 trillion states if he wanted to... He is unlimited... He is supernatural... He is not limited by our
time, space, dimensions or humanness... He can be three things at the same time and he can be all three at the same time
while being all three at different times at the same time...

I don't know how else to say it so it is more clear to you... God is a supreme being... He is a god... He has no limits...
We can't comprehend the incomprehensible so stop trying...

2006-08-28 05:53:54 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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