I know what you mean.what i cant understand is how they feel there can be no God without Jesus(saw) as if he makes God almighty and if toy do not go through Jesus(saw) then you are praying to a false God.So I guess i wonder if Moses was praying to God befor Jesus(saw) was he false God then or only became false when Jesus(saw) came along,and we know God never changes or lies.let me stat this also i come from a family of preachers so i do know what the bible says
2006-08-27 16:20:32
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answer #1
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answered by sabirah 3
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Tertullian, one of the early church fathers, coined the term "Trinity." The word actually means "three-ness." Tertullian was an ardent supporter of orthodoxy in the church, and was one of the greatest defenders of the historic Christian faith.
The term "Trinity" is not found in the Scriptures, but the doctrine is clearly displayed. There are many times where Jesus said of Himself that He was God. He applied the name of God, "I AM," to Himself in several passages. Here's a few examples: Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8, John 4:26, John 6:20, John 8:24, 28, 58, and John 13:19. There are several others I have not listed. Besides this, Jesus said that He & the Father were one (John 10:30). This describes a unity, even though there are two.
The Trinity has an underlying appearance in the Old Testament as well. In Genesis, we see during creation that God said, "Let us make man in our image." and also when man sinned, God said, "...man has become as one of us, to know good and evil..." Who was He speaking to? The other persons of the Trinity. We also see that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in the beginning, and in John 1:1-3, it clearly states that Jesus (the Word) made everything.
Another angle to pursue is the various Scriptures that demonstrate that God's attributes are present in Jesus as well as the Holy Spirit. For example, the Father is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and so is the Son (John 1:2), and so is the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14). Another shared attribute is their holiness. Only God is truly holy. The Father is holy (Revelation 15:4), so is the Son (Acts 3:14), and so is the Spirit (Acts 1:8).
An ancient diagram of the Trinity can be helpful in getting your hands around the doctrine, and can be found at the link in the SOURCE list.
The Trinitarian doctrine requires much more depth of discussion than can occur here. It is important to know that we only have to believe, not necessarily understand, the Trinitarian nature of God. It is a bedrock doctrine of the Christian church. Anything else is heresy.
2006-08-27 21:14:21
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answered by Anonymous
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Humans cannot fully fathom the idea of the trinity. It is three bodies that make up one. One analogy that helps humans understand partially is to look at an egg. The shell is God, the yolk is Jesus, and the white is the Holy Spirit. They are three parts that make up the one.
Another is water. God is water, the Holy Spirit is the vapor, and Jesus is the ice. One thing can act in three different forms. Putting these two examples together will help one understand the trinity, but no human can fully understand it.
(i'm not sure which peice or form stands for which part of the trinity, but this helps either way)
2006-08-27 21:17:36
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answered by E 2
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here is the best example i see in Gods word. When Jesus was being baptized, the Father was speaking from heaven, the Holy Spirit came down from heaven as a dove, and Jesus was in the river. Three seperate beings under one God head. Even in Genesis, God said let us make man in our image. When The bible says that there are 3 that are in heaven and these 3 are one God, they are all part of this God head. Its not like a human with a first second and last name, but one person. Christ also said that you cant get to the Father but by Him. Paul said " no one knows the hour the Son of man comes, not the angels nor the Son but the Father only and the book of mark is the only gospel to record this. The Holy Spirit is the one teaches us what the Word means and convicts us of doing Gods' work and to repent when we sin. He is the one that moves us to be saved. You cant be saved unless the Spirit draws you. Salvation cant be attained whenever you feel like it. I dont know if this helped you or confussed you more but God bless.
2006-08-27 21:39:07
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answer #4
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answered by Airman_P 2
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I used to be a Christian and I have worked out Trinity as three Gods in one,
and all three are three,
and one,
and that makes a sub-total of 12,
since 3x3=9,
+3=12,
and then the Big One that they are all suppposed to be makes a Grand Total of
13.
But dont ask the Christians because they think this lil' trick is a mystery and mysteries can neither be undertsood nor explained and that explains why Christians dont even know what they believe and only talk out of their thick skulls and think they are so wise to get into a group that believe in a mystery because they are afraid to stand on their own and need a whole large group and still insist that their God is 1(????)
And that explains why Christians fear Black Friday, which is the 13th. day of any month that falls on a Friday but they will do all their wicked deeds on any other 13th. day of the month.
and for this they fear Black cats.
Trinity also accuses the mother and son of incest since the son and the father are one, or is it "is one"? and also accuses the holy ghost or spirit of claiming to be the father of the child without any respect for the father.
Is that a puzzle or what?
Could be slander and defamation or just plain kid's stuff.
2006-08-27 21:30:53
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answered by mythkiller-zuba 6
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THE TRINITY CONCEPT IS DECEPTION AND GOD AND JESUS IS ONE ONLY IN THE WAY THEY THINK, THE PLAN FOR MANKIND. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS THE SON. GOD IS A FAMILY AND IS REPRODUCING HISSELF WITH THOSE WHO KEEP HIS LAWS.
It may first be noted that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (KJ) found in older translations at 1 John 5:7 are actually spurious additions to the original text. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—RS, NE, NAB.
Other evidence of its impersonal nature. Further evidence against the idea of personality as regards the holy spirit is the way it is used in association with other impersonal things, such as water and fire (Mt 3:11; Mr 1:8); and Christians are spoken of as being baptized “in holy spirit.” (Ac 1:5; 11:16) Persons are urged to become “filled with spirit” instead of with wine. (Eph 5:18) So, too, persons are spoken of as being ‘filled’ with it along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52); and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6. It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person. As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8. While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)
2006-08-27 21:26:06
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answered by His eyes are like flames 6
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This has been a doctrine that Christians have tried to explain since the 1st century. God, is one God, in three distinct persons, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Each are God in their separate persons, yet are God together. Each has a separate role, yet are all part of the Godhead. There are references to it in the Old Testament, when God is mentioned it is often "Elohim" in the Hebrew, which is the plural form of God. We are first introduced to this concept in Genesis when it states "Let us make man in our image". There several places in the New Testament where it is revealed such as Matt. 3:16 where we have Jesus being baptized,(The Son) a dove coming down from Heaven (the Holy Spirit) and God the Father speaking from Heaven. Nobody this side of Heaven can fully explain it or how it happens.
2006-08-27 21:22:43
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answered by BrotherMichael 6
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The easiest way to understand this point is to look at ourselves in everyday life as an example. I for example am a father, brother, and son three different roles but the same person. I hope this helps God is the creator of all things, Jesus Christ is our savior if you will accept him, and the Holy Spirit lives with you after you accept Jesus Christ as your savior to help guide you in your christian life.
2006-08-27 21:24:16
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answered by peewee5001 2
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Godhead=God the Father,God the Son , God the Holy Spirit= the Trinity or Triune God.
2006-08-27 21:16:21
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answered by soulsista 4
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Here is the Athanasian Creed, which is one of the oldest and best explanations of the Trinity out there:
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
2006-08-27 21:13:33
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answered by Dysthymia 6
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