What sort of Church hires Private Investigators to harass critics?

Question

And who said this?

"If you oppose [*DELETED NAME] we promptly look up—and will find and expose your crimes. If you leave us alone we will leave you alone."

"Never discuss [*DELETED NAME] with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist."

"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don't ever defend. Always attack."

"SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by
any means by any [*DELETED NAME] without any discipline of the [*DELETED NAME]. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

I deleted the name so someone can answer the question.

Do many 'Churches' do this? Is it correct for a church to do this?

Ok yep, you got it...

It is the Church of Scientology, and the quotes are from Church Policy orders from L Ron Hubbard.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/pl-1967-10-18-penalties-lower-conditions.html
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/

http://www.xenu.net

Do you think any reputable church would do such things? Is this yet another indication that the Church of Scientology is a dangerous cult?

LOL at Bulia - till i saw your name I thought you were serious. :)

Sorry - *Bula'ia

If people can cite examples of harrassment the worst one IMO gets the 10 points...

Lewis, I'm intrigued as to why you think me a mole?

Your obscure information also has me very much interested...

Princess,

No the cross isn't a christian thing, it is a copy of Crowley's Satanist cross.

The symbol is a crossed out cross.

They turned it into a religion to seem more credible, to duck out of criticism, and to get tax-exempt status, although they only managed this in the US...

I would have liked to hear more from you Lewis, but ok.

Personally I think that since the experiments by Swann et al were not reproducable even by him in later years, and they had a hand in designing the experiments that I can't trust this as being true. Subsequent attempts to produce the same results have resulted in nothing more than statistical chance. However this is about scientology, not remote viewing and mass conspiracies - neither of which I buy into.

When the million dollar prize gets given out or it's proved in some other way (double blind clinical studies), I'll sit up and look.

Do you think there maybe Operation SnowWhite or simliar had anything to do with the proof they gave them of their 'remote viewing'?

Hi Sarouk,

Yes I do understand that, hence why I don't display my e-mail either... I am fully aware of the cults view on critics - hence this question to inform the public.

Your friend did a good deed, and well done to Lewis too for being able to turn it around. I only hope my family in the cult can wake up soon too.

In the meantime, until the criminal activities stop and they stop lying to people, making ridiculous claims while using social and mind control techniques I will continue to demonstrate against this cult. Scientology hurts lives, families and therefore society.

Could you expand on that at all indigo?

Million Dollar, I don't know where you got the idea that it was illegal in the UK... It isn't.

It was denied charitable status last in 1999, thats it.

Being apathetic, and not letting the general public know about the con and dangers of scientology is exactly what scientology want. If no one knows about them, then they can trick and fool people into believing it. They use hard sell tactics and they do actively recruit, even deceptively through front groups. So they do force it on people, and they do trick people into following it via mind & social control techniques. It is not a harmless organisation. A quick look at this website shows that, http://www.whyaretheydead.net

the more people that know about scientology the better, because then they can't recruit you. I'm not trying to convert current scientologists, the Church is far too big an influence on them; i would bet anything they don't follow any links i post, i know that. I have asked very few questions, and normally only respond to other people's...

Answer 1

I would have to say Scientology. There have been MANY (and I do mean many) cited cases where a Scientologist has harrassed, threatened, or in some cases, even harmed or killed a critic of their church. All this in the name of a religion invented by a science-fiction writer for profit.

Answer 2

Yeah, but that is not a church. Can you say why there is a cross in they symbol? People say it is a christian thing, but I know it is not.
1) One what is the cross for
2) Does the religion resemble any of the Si Fi books it sounds kind of sifi you know write what you know theory? I guess if you are writing a religion and you write science fiction why not write one about science fiction huh? It would be easier


PS I am getting Pluto sign the petition random stuff on my questions at random. Is this a harassment from scientologists because I ask Scientology questions? They are not ending up on Scientology questions just others. If it is then you may have a point here in action.

Answer 3

You speak of Scientology, the most dangerous and subversive cult in the USA.

An associate of mine knows how to contact the person using the name Lewis Y. He was deeply scarred by Scientology over twenty years ago.

I will try to get another person who is in contact to attempt to have him address the issues. If you are aware of CoS, perhaps you can understand why he is skittish. He will not use email for these purposes.

Our mutual friend interceded to remove him from CoS and have him relocated for deprogramming.

Of course CoS is extremely dangerous.

Leave the question up for a while, and maybe extend it if that is possible.

Answer 4

There are many vulnerable people in the world, all looking for 'some thing' to believe in !
While I applaud your present stance in trying to educate these unfortunates, I think your energy could be put to better use, it will be almost impossible to detract some one from their chosen path, be they Christian, Scientologist or whatever!
Sorry to read about your families involvement in these issues, and I am also truly sorry for all the other folk that have got mixed up with any other sort of cult or religion, but people are always looking for 'something' to believe in! and always will be. No real harm in that I suppose, as long as they don't try to force all their BS on me!
Now as for redirecting your energy expenditure, you must know that by trying to 'educate' our forum you wont be having much luck? You will have the usual "Duh" and "Yes" or "No"! but not a lot of converts?
Most people are set in their ways, they either believe or not or they don't care,cult or religion, I can only suggest you broaden your horizon you have at present a (very noticeable) dislike for these scientologists and all they stand for, to my mind all religions and cults are like drugs and should be abolished!
This wont be achieved in your life time or mine, but we must keep trying??

Answer 5

This the first I have heard of anything like this, but it doesn't surprise me one bit. I mean, you just have to look at the world around you and know that it's spiralling out of control. By the way, the Church is the people, not the building, which many people mistake.

As I said before, Christ is the Answer to our every need, if certain churches are doing this, then don't worry about it, because God will deal with them, He will be their final Judge. As He will be the final Judge for us all. Just keep yourself in Christ's care and nothing can destroy your faith, that would definately be impossible. Just turn your life over to Jesus and everything will be revealed to you. You need to let go.....and let God.......!

Answer 6

Scientology

Answer 7

Scientology. No, Scientology isn't a religion, it's a global scam that passes itself off as religion. Any Christian or Muslim would gladly provide me with a Bible or Quran, but Scientologists guard their Operating Thetan manuals meticulously. Not to mention sue those who publish them. If they're useful, they should be open for study.

Answer 8

The only churches I can imagine would do this are cults and possibly state churches. Although, every church has some nut jobs that might do something like that. In which case you treat them as a nut job, and not a member of said religion, and you would take it to the police.

Answer 9

Scientologists are dafties. Usually quite rich, but sadly - dafties. We have laws against the c*nts in the UK, thank f*ck. People across the pond should stop being scared of their legal teams and rise against them. It's not a religion - it's a CULT.

Answer 10

I have been raised and not attend church. My chosen career has had us move a lot and I have attended about ten different ones over the years.

This is not typical.

Also, sometimes people will find a problem with one church or one pastor and think it is reflective of all. It is not.