I see a whole lot of people not giving answers. All mythological beings have their limits.
2006-08-25 02:09:53
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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For those that don't get it, this is a question that illustrates our limited understanding of the nature of an omnipotent being. If God can create a rock that is so big that he can't move it, then there is the potential for there to be something that He can't do, move this huge rock that he created. If he can't create something that is so big that he can't move it, then there is something else that he can't do. Either way, God is not omnipotent because there is at least one thing that He can't do. So, is true omnipotence possible? Not based on our understanding of the concept. Does that disturb me or cause me to doubt the existence of or His power? Not in the slightest. I just accept that there are somethings that we mortals cannot understand. However, I also believe that we will understand these things when we do return to His presence.
2006-08-25 09:13:53
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answer #2
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answered by Glenn Blaylock 2
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The Lord can make a rock so big/heavy that he could not lift it. Then he would lift it just to prove to you that he is GOD.
2006-08-25 09:28:27
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answer #3
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answered by Gaur 2
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no body is greater and stronger than god he can make the rock like ash.
dont think of this again because you could go to hell because you are saying that the rock that god created cant lift it.
2006-08-25 09:09:14
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answer #4
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answered by PHANTOM 3
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I first heard this question back when I was going through my Christian phase. My answer was "God can do anything except create a situation in which he is incapable of doing something." That actually validates the idea of divine omnipotence, and to a Christian it makes perfect sense.
2006-08-25 09:10:51
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answer #5
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answered by Sweetchild Danielle 7
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God and Omnipotence
The paradox of the stone, as presented by Wade Savage:
1. Either God can create a stone that God cannot lift, or God cannot create a stone that God cannot lift – there are no other possibilities.
2. If God can create a stone that God cannot lift, then there is at least one thing that God cannot do (i.e., lift that stone).
3. If God cannot create a stone that God cannot lift, then there is at least one thing that God cannot do (i.e., create that stone).
4. From the combination of 1, 2 and 3, it follows that there is at least one thing that God cannot do.
5. If God is omnipotent, then God can do anything.
6. Therefore, God is not omnipotent.
What this argument apparently shows is that omnipotence is impossible (or, that the notion of omnipotence is incoherent). Thus, God cannot be omnipotent (as nothing can be).
Suggested solutions to the paradox St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274):
Aquinas defines as “absolutely impossible” any thing where the “predicate is altogether incompatible with the subject” (his example: “man is an ***” (in the non-metaphorical sense)). With this in mind:
Whatever implies contradiction does not come within the scope of divine omnipotence, because it cannot have the aspect of possibility. Hence it is more appropriate to say that such things cannot be done, than that God cannot do them.
That is, to be omnipotent involves being able to do all things that are possible. For example, it is not considered a limit to my powers that I cannot draw a square circle. That’s impossible, so it’s no failing that I can’t do it – it cannot be done.
BUT: surely I can make a thing that is too heavy for me to lift, so that task is not impossible, so if God can’t do it, that really is a limit to his power.
George Mavrodes (1926-):
Mavrodes responds that although “a stone too heavy for Simon Cushing to lift” is not a contradictory notion, “a stone too heavy for an omnipotent being to lift” is a contradictory notion.
Mavrodes’s argument in full:
1. Either God is omnipotent or he is not.
2. If God is not omnipotent, then the fact that he cannot do something (either make or lift the stone) is unsurprising.
3. If God is omnipotent, then, by definition, there necessarily cannot be a stone that is too heavy for him to lift (otherwise he would not be omnipotent).
4. If there necessarily cannot be such a stone, then it is an impossibility.
5. By Aquinas’s reasoning, even an omnipotent being cannot perform impossibilities.
6. Therefore, by definition, inability to create a stone too heavy for one to lift is no barrier to being omnipotent. (In fact, only non-omnipotent beings can create objects too heavy for themselves to lift.)
BUT: both Aquinas and Mavrodes assume that God cannot do impossible things. Is this right? Descartes, for one, thought not. Descartes believed God could make 2+2=5. Why? Because otherwise you are suggesting that God is bound by the laws of logic. But if God created the laws of logic, why should he be bound by them? Couldn’t he have made them differently?
Harry Frankfurt:
However, if we assume that God can do impossible things, then God can create a stone too heavy for him to lift (which is supposedly impossible). Furthermore, if he can do that, then he can go one stage further and lift that stone (also impossible – but what’s the difference between doing one impossible thing and doing two?)
BUT: doesn’t that mean that the stone he created was not a stone too heavy for him to lift, and that we’re back to the situation of him being unable to create such a stone? Not according to Frankfurt:
If an omnipotent being can do what is logically impossible, then he can not only create situations which he cannot handle but also, since he is not bound by the limits of consistency, he can handle situations which he cannot handle. [256]
That doesn’t seem to make sense – but that’s because “sense” is limited to logical possibility.
To recap:
There are two options for an omnipotent being:
1. Omnipotence means the ability to everything that is logically possible but nothing that is logically impossible. In this case, by definition, an omnipotent being can lift any rock, and therefore “a rock too heavy for an omnipotent being to lift” is an impossibility. In that case, however, inability to create such a rock is no barrier to omnipotence, because no omnipotent being can do the impossible.
HOWEVER: why limit omnipotence to logical possibility?
2. Omnipotence includes the ability to logically impossible things.
In this case (says Frankfurt) an omnipotent being could create and lift a stone too heavy for him to lift, both of which are impossible, but that’s no problem for somebody omnipotent!
HOWEVER: taking this option removes the discussion from one that makes sense to humans, because it allows God both to exist and not exist at the same time, or to sin and be good at the same time.
Can God sin?
Similar problem: if God can sin, then he is not wholly good. But if he can’t sin, then he is not omnipotent.
Suggested solutions
Aquinas: Two options
Either: it’s true to say “If God wants he could sin”, which allows that he can sin. But he won’t ever because (by his nature) he will never want to.
Or: God can do absolutely anything, rape, murder, whatever, but by definition, because he defines what is good, if he did it it would be good. (This is essentially the Divine Command Theory – or perhaps, the Divine Action Theory.)
William of Ockham:
Again, assume that an omnipotent being can only do what is possible. Also assume that the definition of “sin” is “whatever is opposed to God’s will”. To sin, God would have to will what is opposed to his will, which is impossible. Thus, the fact that he cannot sin doesn’t prove he’s not omnipotent.
2006-08-25 09:13:54
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answer #6
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answered by Anonymous
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The oft repeated catch-22 of xians mind teasers. It would be a good question if it hadn't already been asked a hundred thousand times.
P.S. Is that Gargamel?
2006-08-25 09:09:20
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answer #7
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answered by Anonymous
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yes, and No,
I always thought that the answer to that question would be simple
it can be explaned, but not in out language and not with our minds, but you have have to be God to give you that answer, he being so much more advanced then us
2006-08-25 09:07:48
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answer #8
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answered by bkbarile 5
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Why are you so concerned, You don't even believe in God, another one of those atheists trying to change Christains lives. But to answer your question, God can do anything he wants to. He can even put you in hell when you die. Nice try, but you did not fool me.
2006-08-25 09:11:35
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answer #9
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answered by birdsflies 7
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any thing is possive but then again if if any thing is posible then after making that rock he would be able to lift it
2006-08-25 09:05:42
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answer #10
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answered by saint 1
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