Don't you think that if God were fair he would let each of us start in the garden of Eden like Adam and Eve?

Question

Then we could make our own decision to sin or not.

Answer 1

I think if He were fair He would give us the free will to choose not to sin, and then to pay the penalty Himself if we did, so we'd still have a way back to Him.

Oh, wait, He did that.

Answer 2

You ask: "Don't you think that if God were fair he would let each of us start in the garden of Eden like Adam and Eve?" -- Interesting that would be 6 million+ planets? Maybe that's not practical.
So, maybe GOD lets us all have 11 years to grow and learn - then at each of our age of reasoning, we start to decide as Adam did right from wrong, good or bad.
This time (for those that believe) this time we have Jesus to assist and forgive us - so we can maintain a chance of getting to heaven.
So, maybe we are in Eden, but the Eden of 2006. (you know what I mean, # years.)
GOD gifted us with free will so: "Then we could make our own decision to sin or not" -- That's where we get into trouble all the time for.
GOD is fair, he did not force us to choose as we did, and he had to still be fair and kick us out - even if he did not want to, because those are the rules he set up. You rarely get a another pitch after the third strike in baseball, right? (That's why Jesus came to fix the situation, returning our chance to get to heaven again.) Now we have Jesus, who understands everything about being human, we have the holy spirit, and always GOD is there. Seems unfair as humans can get another pitch almost anytime - by sincerely asking GOD for help - and you'll get help (forgiven). Hell is not a full as people think.

Answer 3

We are the robots that took over the factory before we were fully built. Our offspring have our brokenness, our incompletenesses. We arent qualified to finish constructing ourselves.

You are asking whether its fair that we are the product of our parents choices? They have choices. There is a causality.. a continuation that follows those choices.

So do you think that we suffer because and only because they sinned? The problem is that the incompleteness grows over time. We are a decaying signal, more and more corrupted over time. If we were put pre-fall do you think we would not commit an original sin? Your current understanding now has a broken innocence, you and I, for lack of a better metaphor, are broken robots. Our imaginations are broken. There is no part of us that is complete. We cant imagine what we would do or how we would work if we were whole.

If you read Genesis 3, we were not built to overcome the serpent. It was a cruel betrayal of God that the serpent did, and the serpent bears the majority of the wrath of God.

You are implicitly asserting that you could overcome the serpent, and the most complete of us robots in Adam & Eve couldnt. The maker wrapped himself in circuits, and made himself a robot in order to crush the serpent.

Its a lot like an affair: you take the worst of your spouse, your real spouse on whom you have much empirical data, and you contrast that to the best of your affair-ee, the imagined affair-ee about whom you have much imagination, and little empirical data. The worst of a real human with flaws cant compete with the best of an imagined idea, but its not really a concrete or fair comparison. So you are comparing the real worst of great .... great parents who let loose the self destruct sequence of the factory, with the imagined best of an imaginary you. Isnt that an unfair comparison, because you dont know really much about how they were, or how an unfallen you would be, and you dont know experientially, having walked a mile in their moccassins, the battle they fought and lost?

I think that life is only a chapter in the book, a page in the story. Like any story with good plot, each chapter formatively affects the next, but the book is not over with death. I think that God will take into account far above and beyond the constraints imposed by circumstance, and still people will not be measured as great. He will treat in judgment us as if there was no fall, and we will be measured by the standards in our heart during life, and still we will be found to not match up to even the good that was written in us, and within the grasp of our hands to do.

I have looked into the mirror of me.. and there is a wretched beast, and a monster in there.. but I watch and observe that thing is restrained by a power that is not my own. I call that grace, and a different part of me rejoices that the darkness is suppressed. The part of me that rejoices, and loves all that is right and good, its the true me. That darkness is dying, and that is sweet. Its totally unfair, I certainly dont deserve it, but I attribute that to my Maker, and I give him a new name: my Sustainer and Life. Its not fair that I get that, but Im glad that I do.

Answer 4

I'm sorry, this is a silly question. Hypotheticals...reality is what it is. Accept it. God being the Alpha and Omega knows all. God knew and still knows what God is doing. You have free will, make your own decisions to follow Gods will or not. Unlike Adam and Eve, you can make an informed decision and consciously choose to sin or not, they were without sin until the moment Eve decided to eat of the Fruit and Adam take it from her as offered and eat of it as well. So really your question in essence is..."Is God fair?" Here's a great definition of fair from Websters:
b (1) : conforming with the established rules : ALLOWED.
So is God fair? Yes. Is it fair that we disobey him knowingly? No.

Answer 5

I want the Garden of Eden with Brittany Spears as Eve. :)

Well, actually Anne Margret (sp?) as she played in Bye Bye Birdy if we have such a choice to make her young again, but that would make sense because I'd have to be made young again, too. And, she doesn't have to be virgin, that only lasts a few seconds.

Religious people already believe we live to make our own decision to sin or not. We just don't have the Garden of Eden while we do it.

Answer 6

This is trying to apply Human (flawed) logic to God who is Spirit and cannot be conceived or understood by mortal man. Man is a creation (the spirit within man/woman) and the body or container is sinful and born sinful account of a flawed bloodline. God also determined long beforehand a method for any mortal to escape judgment and find salvation and left it to man to make that decision. Why is that not fair?

Answer 7

I never thought of it like that. We can still make that individual decision on to sin or not can't we? That has not changed. We still partake of the forbidden fruit (knowledge?) (I don't think it was literally an apple) every day. That's why we have free choice and if that is true, that seems fair...

Answer 8

why? do you think you would have done better than Adam and Eve? you have the choice now to sin or not. are you sin-free?

if God was fair, he would have killed the human race off centuries ago for all the wicked man has done. you should thank Him for being forgiving!

Answer 9

Jim

You should be thankful that you live at the end of this unfolding drama of redemption. Should we all go back to the garden with all the deception that needed to come before mankind would learn his lession we would need to wait 6000 years.
I don't know about you but I'm tired of this sin crused world and look forward to the great Kingdom of Yahweh that is about to be set up.

Answer 10

No, because the whole thing is rediculous. If God does exist then he probably figured out that he was the one that messed up, not us.

God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If this was the only way they could understand the difference between good and evil, how could they have known that it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit?

Answer 11

No. Because it doesn't matter who was in the garden of eden or when they were there, because no matter what, we would have still sinned. It doen't matter if a freakin priest was the first in the garden of eden. We are all human, and therefore we are not perfect.