To those who may believe that we are just this physical body and nothing more. <everybody comment>?

Question

Some people may believe we are nothing more than this physical or biologocal body.Well I want them and others to read this completely and share their views.
Normal people(wether religious or not,believer in god or not) become happy after they do a good act, even if their action can't be justified by materialistic laws , for example sacrifising one's self for another person, or to give your kidney to someone else for free.
And they will get sad in their hearts when they do something evil , even if they make a good money(that their actions are justifyable by materialistic laws) ofcourse I am talking about 'normal' people whose heart hasn't changed dramatically.
So if we read between the lines it proves there is something more than this physical world it proves reward and consequence for our actions. >>
this is a feeling so deep in our heart(deeper than one can say because they were taught it in the school when they were child), it is deep there.
Just like we love and want the beauty , we love good acts( even if they dont make sense with materialistic laws).
you know, when something is in our heart there is a response outside, if there is the hunger inside ,there is food outside. if there is the need of love inside ,there is marriage and love outside.For every natural need or tendency or feeling that we have inside our hearts ,there is a response a satisfaction outside. the response to this feeling is that there is more than
this world, there is reward and consequenses.
Things make sense.
If we admire sombody when he get killed, trying to rescue somebody else which doesnt make sense by the physical laws,it means our hearts knows that there is more than this physical world.even if some people has become unbelievers and consciously deny it while their hearts unconsciously act in according to spritual laws.
and yes when god created us he put this in our heart.
Note that I dont say non-belivers dont do good acts,some of them do,beacause the truth is in their hearts but they consciously deny it.and sometimes they act in according to spritual laws without paying attention to it.
peace to you all
a muslim friend.

some of you said its beacause it is a social value and it helps us live together.social values will change in the course of history.
but these deep natural feelings like loving beauties or loving to help others even if it brings us materialistic damages will never change .
and even if some one live out society
in a desert he will still have these feelings.
it is because God put this in our hearts.

to tawaen:
the basicsare the same,culture to culture and people to peolpe but the form changes.
theft was never considered a good act!
and killing the inocent people
and .. . . . .

Answer 1

They're gonna try to tell you that this instinct to do good in spite of the sacrifice to self (or to admire those who do) somehow "evolved". Yeah, right! It was "natural selection, I'm sure!!
It amazes me, sometimes, the lengths the human being will go to, to deny his Creator!!

Answer 2

I think you're not seeing the full picture. Just because it gives someone a good feeling to do good even if on the account of "materialistic losses" doesn't have to mean there's something more out there. Care for the well-being of humanity is enough of a motive. People sacrifice things all the time, they do so consciously and unconsciously, but they do that for the sake of people they care about, for the sake of other humans. Animals protect each other and help each other out in times of need, does that mean they act according to the "spiritual laws"? I think it's more of an instinct that nature put in us. Sometimes the only way to survive evolution is by being a group where all members protect and look out for each other to a certain degree, and that's the way it happened.....

Answer 3

Ummm... I think the feelings you describe can be accounted for based on physiology. The "happy chems" and "sad chems" in our brains are released when we encounter the right stimuli. In some ways it is also psychology, since we are rewarded at a young age for doing "good" things and punished for "bad" thing, which helps train us when to feel good or bad. Much like Pavlov's dogs, but emotional rather than physical.

If there were some External Moral Force, then culture wouldn't have such an impact on morality. All actions would be either right or wrong, not in between, and it wouldn't change from place to place, people to people.

Answer 4

Absolute rubbish.

Cooperation and altruism are innate properties of human existence... a more sophisticated version of the social organization that you can see among pods of dolphins or orcas, packs of wolves, lion prides and troops of chimpanzees. Moral consensus, moral conscience and mutual empathy are evolved survival traits. These are evolved social constructs... the social lubrication that allows people to exist together. People come away with the misconception that they don't exist, absent religion. The religious puppet masters try to perpetuate that idea, in order to protect their conduits to wealth and power... but that is a canard. This has to do, entirely, with human nature.

What serves you as a substitute for logic and reason is a logical fallacy (a flaw in thinking) known as the "Argument From Incredulity"... which is a sub-category of the "Argument ad Ignorantiam" (Argument From Ignorance). It goes something like this: "I can't conceive of how this might have come to be; therefore, God did it."

That does not represent a limitation of nature... it represents a limitation of knowledge or intellect. Also, it is intellectually dishonest, since it does not ACKNOWLEDGE the limitation of knowledge or intellect... it merely invokes the fanciful idea of a supernatural creator-entity to manifest the ILLUSION that cognitive dissonance has been resolved. It substitutes 'faith' for fact, and 'belief' for knowledge... but neither faith nor belief are sufficient to sustain reason... they are only sufficient to sustain willful ignorance.

That is the epitome of self-delusion.

Answer 5

Society rewards people who behave in socially acceptable ways, and being rewarded makes people happy. The nature of the behavior rewarded does not seem to matter. For example, in warrior cultures society rewards their most violent individuals with status and esteem. In these cultures the rewards of violence makes people happy.

In most modern, Western cultures, however, violent individuals are shunned and treated poorly. Most violent criminals express some level of regret for their actions. The same behavior does not make them happy. So we're either dealing with multiple gods imprinting multiple codes of behavior on the soul, or the simpler explanation that members of a society are most happy when they behave according to their societies rules of acceptable conduct.

Answer 6

I think it's the brain, the mind, the soul to make you what you want to do. Most of the people will not think we are just this physical body that doesn't do anything. Every person has a feeling, they can feel any things and do things according to what they feel. I don't understand the point of this message you are trying to get across, but it is kind of obvious that we do what we need to do, or feel to do or want to do.

Answer 7

Not sure what you're getting at here friend, but I speak as someone who believes that, as you put it, "we are a physical body and nothing more", or as I prefer to say it, Biochemistry is the only game in town.

The atheist can accept that the processes which enable us to feel sadness, loss, love, pain, anaesthesia, happiness, or whatever, are remarkable. But they are physical processes. I do not ask you to agree (as you appear to be asking me to agree with you) - I am stating that as a position from which it is possible to see oneself in the world, able to perform kind acts and to feel emotions, without attributing the source of these things to something higher. I am in awe that nature should endow humans with the self-awareness, but I see nothing to pass credit anywhere else and much evidence to show that the physical body is capable of remarkable things. Try to step outside of yourself and see how things are from someone else's perspective. Most atheists have considered the position of theists far more strongly than theists consider ours. I do not ask you to convert - but you should be open minded enough to see how others see the world.

Answer 8

We were born with a conscience, which is why we feel bad when we do wrong, provided we haven't scarred our conscience of the years...

We feel good when we do right, because we are created in God's image and he wants us to do what is right.

Knowing that there is more than this physical world doesn't mean that we are part of that other world, just that we are affected by things in it.