Much more likely: She wasn't, herself and Joseph got it toghether before being properly married but came up with this rather original c0ck and bull story of immaculate conception to avoid scandal. Or: she had a secret lover (not God) and she fooled Joseph into believing she was still a virgin (clever girl!). Any other theories??
2006-08-23 22:07:10 · 20 answers · asked by Thou Shalt Not Think 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I seem to have offended a few people with suggesting that part of the gospel could be a c0ck and bull story, maybe that's a bit harsh, sorry. For most, "because the Bible says so" is good enough reason to believe in immaculate conception. Not me. I am sure that Jesus lived and that he was a great leader. He had a great message for mankind (but so did e.g. Ghandi) that I don't want to contradict: love oneanother. But was he the literal son of a god? 2000 years ago, people believed a wheelbarrow was a marvellous invention. They thought the earth was flat and the sun went around it. They were certainly primitive enough to believe that a god could impregnate a woman.
Organised religion is a curse: it divides mankind into camps. I fear armageddon could actually come one day soon: muslims, jews, christians nuking each other because the message of a benevolent carpenter, son of Mary and Joseph, has gotten out of hand. God will have nothing to do with that.
2006-08-23 23:09:28 · update #1
Dear Ocram,
In that society first of all if a man found out his wife was pregnant before marriage- he would divorce her. There are OT passages where Jesus is prophesized to be born in Bethelhem. It's quite an elaborate scheme and would have involved many people. When you consider what the disciples taught it's not something they would have collaborated with. All the disciples except for one died a martyr's death (you would think even as one died) that others would have stepped up and exposed the "lie" if such an elaborate conspiracy were possible.
Your speculations are completely unfounded and are exactly as you call them theories. i think they are theories that have no evidence. Where as the Scriptures and what Jesus represented and taught are consistent. Jesus is the one who exposed to the woman at the well that she had multiple husbands (would he allow himself to be conceived as such a lie). The same God who parted the red sea, etc. is the same God who is able to plant Jesus into the womb of Mary.
Hope that helps,
Nickster
2006-08-23 22:14:16 · answer #1 · answered by Nickster 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You have the liberty to think up any kind of c0ck and bull stories. But the fact remains that the Bible says that Mary was a virgin. Most of the Christians believe that the Bible is the Word of God. There is no untruth or lies in the Bible, because Satan is the father of lies. Satan is trying to trick you into evolving multiple theories, all of them denying the truth about the Word of God. Be watchful, You are treading on dangerous ground.
2006-08-23 22:25:43 · answer #2 · answered by sunilbernard 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes, in fact that is what they are is just theories? No worse and not better than your C0ck and Bull reasoning.
I am bothered by why non-Christians and Christians need to have someone else agree or disagree with them to validate their own mental theories on what happened 2000 years ago.
If you don't believe in Mary as the mother of Jesus and that he was the Son of God... OK... Why are you trying so hard to get others to condemn a person that is not here to defend themselves. It doesn't matter one Iota if she was or was not impregnated by God or someone else. It is a belief of many people and it give them strength to go on it this world and someone or something to hold on to.
Why are you trying to take it away from them? I think you are right in someways but people need someone of higher intelligence to believe in for comfort and strength. Some people don't, and that is OK. Why are you trying to delude people that in their hearts and mind need that courage to live a happy life.
If you are happy believing that the immaculate conception didn't happen then fine.... be happy to believe it. Why are you asking for someone to validate it for you?
Have a good life, and may the Child of the women that gave birth to the Immaculate Conception bless you anyway.
2006-08-23 22:27:04 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
As a Christian, i have theory about this a lot. as far as i visit inform, Mary became a virgin at the same time as God chosen her, that a lot is sparkling. (And if through any probability she wasn't, I for one gained't carry it adversarial to her.) it truly is all I easily have to date. edit: the "Virgin start" fact is all previously-the-actuality: in the prophesies, Isaiah being the superb-universal. authentic that the different prophesies surrounding the shape became out to be precise, giving good credibility to the prophet, yet a real skeptic will carry out for the different chance. For some, this is a deal-breaker; if the virgin start isn't a actuality then all bets are off; for others, it really is basically an exciting subject matter for talk. I say, there is room on the table for absolutely everyone.
2016-11-27 02:07:09 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
In the Gospel of Luke, she said to the Angel, "How can this be? Since I am a virgin?" That means she intended to be a virgin. Or else that's a foolish question because she was already bethroted to Joseph. She should not asked the angel that question because of course Joseph was the husband and she was supposed to be impregnated by Joseph.
But sacred tradition tells us that she is a virgin. She remained a virgin even after Jesus' birth. She was the virgin prophesied in the Old Testament. "A virgin shall give birth to a child and will call him Emmanuel."
2006-08-23 22:12:36 · answer #5 · answered by kolpo 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Well yes. She was a virgin. To deny that is to deny Jesus' birth and historical records prove He did exist. The Bible would not have made that claim to be blowing smoke- Jesus could not be born from man- the bloodlines were tainted with sin through the centuries.
Read Wendy Alec's- the fall of lucifer- the Chronicles of brothers.
2006-08-23 22:46:38 · answer #6 · answered by IN Atlanta 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I am sure that you are trying to be funny, but you are correct. We do not really know that she was a virgin. I belive that bible records mary as saying to angel Gabriel that she knew not a man. King james era talk for: sex, implying she was a virgin.
There are theories. But none can be proven. I still believe there was a Jesus. I am sure the bible is true.
2006-08-23 22:12:12 · answer #7 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Well, since the old version of the word "virgin" means "young woman or girl", and not "untouched by man", I'd hazard a guess by saying that Mary was a young woman pregant with Joseph's child...who happened to be an exceptionally charismatic thinker.
2006-08-23 22:10:44 · answer #8 · answered by Scott M 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
If someone hide something.. one day the secret will finally revealed. But, in this case… the secret is remain secret.. or there is not secret at all. I think virgin Mary always virgin.
2006-08-23 22:13:14 · answer #9 · answered by Voltage Transformer 33kV 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
She couldn't have been a virgin after she gave birth as the hymen would have been torn then...virgin birth is a miracle and miracles only happen in mythology...
2006-08-23 22:47:09 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋