abortion and capital punishment?

Question

how can you be against abortion but for capital punishment?
i have heard it argued that a fetus is a live and an innocent life. therefore abortion is murder.
i have also heard fromthe same preson that the death penaly is getting rid of murderers
the first argument i understand, i dont agree with but i understand i find it to be a vaild view. the second argument i have a problem with. if you are against abortion for the previous reason shouldnt you be against the death penalty. i garrenty innocent lives have been taken. you do the math. 4% of capital punishment cases are later proven innocent. that 4% are the ones who got lucky. i bet all that i have that in the 96% remaining there are a few who are innocent.
how can you be for one and against the other

WHY????????

Answer 1

No one seems to be considering your point that there are innocent people on death row. I'm as anxious as the next person to see criminals locked away but there have been many cases of convicted people being exonerated years after their trial. In 2003 the state of Illinois put a freeze on all executions when 13 people on death row were found to be innocent and released. If these people had been executed who would accept the blame for their deaths?

It does seem odd that someone can place such a value on a potential life that may consist of only a few cells but have no qualms about killing someone who may have been wrongly accused. And, as for the comment about people getting themselves "into that situation" - don't kid yourself. Mistakes are made every day in criminal investigations. It doesn't just happen to the "other guy" or to "bad people". It could be a case of mistaken identity that traps you or someone close to you.

Answer 2

You're confusing yourself here. Capital punishment is the resulting penalty for a certain crime against society. It's a give and take concept. Aborting a fetus is a whole different matter. Not even in principle are the two examples the same. Abortion is ridding of something that, to some, is inconsequential (fetus). It committed no crime other then it existed in the womb from the result of the carrier being careless with coitus.

(I'm personally against abortion but let the woman make the decision, and I'm for the death penalty)

Answer 3

No Abortion, because they are innocent, know nothing and cannot choose. No abortion will let many baby saved.

Capital punishment yes, because who need a serial killer on world, terrorist or etc . People should take responsible of their actions. If we let a person who act a serious criminal act and don't senteced to die. There will be no threat for more of them to act the same. They will think if i kill just 10-20 lifes, i will just stay forever in jail. and that will let many lives of innocent lost so easy.

If the people that get death penalty is innocent, that's is the risk of the punishment. Some wrong decision could be create, they are really the problem of jugdement.

So no abortion and capital punishment are the same. No abortion prevent death of many innocent baby and capital punishment prevent death of many innocent citizens.

Answer 4

I graduated from high school in 1960 in a prison town. It is easy to speak against capital punishment but how many of you are really willing to work in the prisons around the vicious brutes we want to execute so that they may live a full life?

They murder again in prison, and people who work there are often the victims. You talk lofty theories; those guards never know if they will be alive at the end of shift.

I have changed my mind on abortion. I don't like it as such. But, I learned while driving across the US the last 3 days, that conservatives are politically taking over this country mostly because liberals are pro-abortion, and KILL THEIR BABIES. Thus, Rush reported 100 liberals tend to have 147 kids; 100 conservatives tend to have around 208 babies. The cons are gaining 0.5 of one percent a year because of this.

Good job, liberals. Keep on murdering your kids! Neat-o! In 20 years, Dems won't be able to get elected as dog catchers!

Answer 5

I can at least see the consistency of the Roman Church in rejecting abortion, euthansia and the death penalty, though I'm not willing to legally declare a woman a government regulated incubator. What goes on inside our skin is not the government's proper area of control. I admit I am sympathetic to slippery slope arguments from both sides onthis issue.

But capital punishment is not punishment. Punishment in its restricted technical sense is deprivation or unplesantness applied to train, correct, reduce the unwanted behavior. It implies behavior change, i.e. to reform and rehabilitate. The person executed doesn't live to apply what he or she has learned. So it is not punishment, it is simply vengeance.

I have volunteered in correctional facilities off and on, talked to prisoners on death row who readily admit their guilt and want to die rather than be in death row for year after year, and I've met the opposite. Some you have sympathy for, some you don't. But in my mind it's not a question of what they deserve. It's the notion of taking a life as a cold deliberate community act which is not self-defense, but pay-back.

I see the social commitment to the preservation of life undermined by an inconsistent stance between terminating a fetus because it is unwanted, inconvenient and a burden, and terminating an adult because they are unwanted, inconvenient and a burden. The difference is one of having a grievance against the adult for their behavior and wanting vengeance. It is not a matter of cost since statistically by the time a death row convict is executed the appeals and special security costs more than lifetime incarceration for several offenders. And even with all the appeals, we know for certain that we have executed the wrong people and will again. For that possiblity alone we ought to abandon execution as a penalty.

Studies from the 1950s till now indicate that the death penalty has no measureable effect on the rates of crimes for which it is allowed. So that's no argument. I understand why relatives of a victim might want the offender dead, might actually feel some satisfaction over the offenders death, but that seems a very low impulse on which to base a social policy.

I personally want to see our society with so many support systems in place that no one opts for abortion because of concerns about money, care, their own readiness to parent, how society will react to a pregnancy out of wedlock, and that no one thinks of pulling the plug on the elderly for any of hte same reasons. I want to see every person wanted, welcomed and supported, and I'm all about setting up the support mechanisms in our society to do that. I think valuing life has to extend through all its phases to be meaningful, and it can't only apply to those we like and those who behave as we demand.

You can make the argument that human life has no intrinsic value except what we agree upon. But I would argue for our own interest we should argue that human life has enough value that our fellow citizens should never have leave to take our lives from us except in self-defense in response to a present and active threat.

Answer 6

ABSOLUTELY, 500%.

God Himself is against abortion and for capital Punishment.

Here is why............
State Laws on Abortion, in regards to Funeral Home Directors, by: The Department of Human Services.

It is wrong according too man and Christianity.

1.) When a fetus weighs 11.3 ounces, or 20 weeks of term, whichever comes first. The baby dies, it has to have a Birth Certification and Death Certificate.

2.) When a fetus is less than 350 Grams and dies, it needs a Fetus Death Certificate.

3.) A fetus/baby is a live human being after it meets the above criteria, according too law.

4.) a nonlife needs no Death Certificate. [ It had to be a Life, to be declared dead.]

5.) A baby is a live human being even according too man, and will remain so, until man's law changes.

6.) By man's own definition as too Life: You tell me who is contradicting themselves.

7.) A fetus/baby is a live human being at conception, according to God, and will remain that way until YOU or someone else proves with the Word of GOD, that it isn't.

Here is why I am 250% for Capital Punishment.

Is killing terror leaders wrong?

The Detroit Free Press
A very, very good question found there. Let's see what is again happening: “Suicide attacks push limits when the bombers are kids” – [Michael Matza – Knight Ridder newspapers]. We were all shocked at what happened there. “Palestinian youth believe that if killed fighting for Islam, they will go to heaven and delight in the company of beautiful virgins” – [World Magazine]. And here you see Hussam Abdu, a 16-year-old boy who had that bomb strapped to his body and he gave up. He did not want to die. Well, “The U.S. blocks U.N. Security Council rebuke of Israel. [USA Today, Bill Nichols & Barbara Slavin]. you know, i am absolutely shocked that they're using children to commit suicide in order to promote their terrorism.
A sheik, Ahmed Yassin, trained these children and they put him to death and everyone is complaining now. Wait a minute! Don't you believe the Bible? The Bible says in the Noahic Covenant, “Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by him shall man's blood be shed”, Genesis 9:5,6. Under the Mosiac Covenant, Exodus 20 verse 13, “Thou shall not kill”. The Hebrew there is murder. Turn the page. “He that smites a man so that he dies shall be put to death", Leviticus 24:17.
This man was training these little children to put bombs in their body and this kid says, “They gave me $25 and told me I'd have 72 virgins”. What would a 16-year-old do with them? He probably wouldn't know what to do. How sad. Yet this man who was killed was behind all of this. What did you say, Jesus? In Mark 9:42, “Whosoever shall offend one of these little children that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea.”

Now, that sounds like capital punishment to me. You drop a guy into the sea and he's gone. And the policemen and military men are ministers of God and they bear not the sword in vain, Romans 13:14. That's not for peeling potatoes. I say murderers should be put to death. Even some of these juveniles who are killing everyone around this country.

Has people been convicted wrongly? maybe.
Jesus Christ Himself was convicted wrongly also. Jesus descended to heaven upon His wrongful conviction, after the 3rd day I hope a innocent person will do the same. A Christian should not be in a situation of a life and death sentence to begin with. If he is, he is about to see what faith is really all about.

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Answer 7

i am against abortion but for capital punishment. The difference is abortion the unborn baby doesnt have the choice, capital punishment the felon made the choice by comitting the crime.

If they actually are innocent then they must have been somewhat involved because its not like they pick names out of the phone book or anything.

Also with abortion, if you dont want the baby, dont kill it, let it live, if you really dont want it then put it up for adoption.

That is how i can be against abortion but for capital punishment

Answer 8

Abortion and captital punishment are not even remotely related....
Unborn babies have done nothing...heck, how could you even compare an unborn baby with a serial killer?
I am very pro-life...killing an innocent baby is WRONG!
The Death Penalty is something else...while I agree that some who have been executed may have been innocent...and how did they get themselves in that situation in the first place?...still, society needs to be secure from deranged killers. Capital punishment may not be the perfect solution, but it sure beats the alternative!!

Answer 9

I am a human rights activist. I am deffinatly anti abortion and anti capital punishment. I fetus is a human, it has blood flow and a heartbeat, so does that of a murder convict. But, in my belief, you are not teaching the convict or other murderers anything. People are still going to murder others, even if they see their accomplices put to leathal injection or anyother type of capital punishment. Something is wrong mentally with a person if they get kicks to kill... And I personally think that if someone does kill another, they just want to die themselves... In other words, both are morally wrong. We have just became a country that is just as bad as the old world principal "an eye for an eye". BOTH ARE WRONG.

Answer 10

the death penalty is a punishment for unacceptable behavior.

what is abortion the punishment for?

neither should be taken lightly, but for some reason we protest punishing murderers and we celebrate the death of unborn babies.

does this tell you something about the warped values we have as a society?

mistakes may be made in the justice system (they are made). what is the excuse for taking the fetus's life? whoops, we made a mistake?