To all Creationists: if God is Eternal, than why not the Universe?

Question

If God never had a beginning, than why can't you believe the Universe never had a beginning, and is constantly exanding and collapsing forever?

Answer 1

The universe is physical, and all things physical were created by God, according to the Bible.
God is not in the physical realm.

The difference is that Christians believe the Bible, and you want to deny it.

We have therefore lost common ground for discussion. You will not convince us, and we cannot convince you without YOUR faith being involved.

Answer 2

I totally agree with the theory that the universe never had a beginning nor will it have any ending. There will always be something new out there and other things being created because God is Spirit and Spirit can't be destroyed. So is the universe because both are one and part of evolution.

Answer 3

No one says that G_d does not have a beginning or end - that is no known. Neither do we hold that the physical universe is eternal. We are experiencing live in our physical universe as part of G_d's plan. We do not know what was before, or if time even applies to G_d. We do know that the physical universe was created by G_d.

Answer 4

Dear bush: Creationists may take the word of Genesis literally. Many Christians do not, yet still believe that God Created this world we inhabit. Your question is an excellent one! Thank you.

This world is perishable. Reality and the Creator are not. Is it likely that the Creator Who is Eternal and simply, Spirit-Mind, would Create a physical world?

Indeed, our Creator or God never had a beginning nor an ending; He is the Alpha and Omega - the All.

Bush - you and I now take a different road. I hope this can provide some contemplation for you:

The Creator, as Spirit-Mind - in a body essence that fills all space and dimension Creates continuously without cease. The "Kingdom" is ever expanding. He Creates in His own Likeness - more spirit-minds as part of Himself. Each of us is within the enfoldment of His Being.

We are, in the Kingdom of Reality, One. His Kingdom is one of Wholeness ; not individuality or separateness. This is because all spirit-minds are joined to the Creator and to each other through a "channel" of mind that enables full communication of thoughts with each other and the Creator. There is a force or Power within God's Mind that projects outward, through His channel, all His communication to us. It is like a current of electricity - the firing of the Mind and it's projection and flow of thought through the entire Kingdom. It is the spirit-minds and God linked to each other that creates the great One-ness of our Selves. Also the design of Our Same-ness, our Unity, with no exclusion, within the Creator.

You see nothing here on earth, or in the Universe, but separate particles, elements and individuality on earth. This cannot be what God is - nor what we in Truth are.

We must consider His Nature. His design and structure of His Kingdom and look upon the differences. This physical universe (planetary and all) is perishable. It renews itself through new life, but appears to discard, permanently, old life. This will continue until some point in the future of measured Time. This Universe is not Eternal - not forever. Our visit to this physical world is not forever, either.

There will be a complete Return to the Father when the great Separation ends. Eternity will be ours - forever!! This Universe will disappear at the point the thought of Separation - ends.
It disappears entirely when we become again, fully conscious and aware of our Selves in our Holy Reality inside the Father.

This Universe is held together by the focus of our collective conscious awareness as - being away from the Father - in Separation. Only He, and You (His Kingdom) will be. . .forever (when our Reality is more dear to us than the physical world we look upon). We are its Authors. We will decide, differently, as each one - one by one - we are healed of what caused the great Separation. Our Great Spirit-Mind functions with dual functioning, presently. We are at Home within the Father, as always, and we Journey through Thought - of a physical world - to establish a different experience for ourselves, due to the trauma of that Original Separation in Eternity when we asked our Creator/Father for what He could not give to us - and still be a loving Father. This universe is our answer to His denial of our request.

This world is sanctioned by the Creator and we have Free Will until we learn what is necessary - to acknowledge He was right - we were wrong - in our thinking. When our thinking is reversed through - our learning about separate-ness, individuality, and special-ness, this world disappears as it began - in a Thought.

Answer 5

You are so stupid, no wonder you have such stupid questions that keep you up night and day and it won't make you rest until you feel you have put Christians down to the lowest form and call God a liar. You watch it now, cause I know your days are numbered and DEATH is staring you right in the face and there is nothing you can do when DEATH snaps his tail and kills you and send you to hell with the devil laughing all the way, you are nothing, just one more dumb, stupid individual, who don't know any better and with nothing better to do than to waste time cutting down God, whom you don't even know or understand, and that is the problem with stupid people, they put down things that they don't understand, you are a wasted walking dead, Call on the Name of Jesus and you will be saved from your stupidity!

Answer 6

maybe it is eternal. how would we really know? God did say in His Word that the world would never end. see this:
Isaiah 45:17 and Ephesians 3:21 both say it's a world without end

Answer 7

As a Christian I am very upset by Interceptor's response to this question and feel it is grossly inapporpriate and unneccessary. To answer your question, I can't believe that the universe never had a beginning because the bible specifically talks about it's creation. I do believe that it is constantly expanding and collapsing as well becuase the bible also states this. I do not believe that it will last forever because once again in the Bible God tells us there will come a time when He will create a new heaven and a new earth, one that I am certain will be vastly different than the one we live in now.

Why do I believe in the Bible since as many will state it was written by man? Well there are proofs all over of the truthfullness contained in the bible. Science has proven through archeology, physics, etc. statements made in the bible. There are many scientific concepts that were claimed in the bible that were later proven by sciece to be true. For example:

1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day.

3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: "He...hangs the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7).

4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote).

5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: "Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?" (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when "British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).

6. Job 38:19 asks, "Where is the way where light dwells?" Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: "When the morning stars sang together..."

8. "Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth" (Time, Dec. 1976).

9. Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6).

10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1,2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: "In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters." The first thing God tells man is that He controls of all aspects of the universe.

11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled," and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood."

12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15–24. In this passage, God speaks about a great creature called "behemoth." Some commentators think this was a hippopotamus. However, the hippo’s tail isn’t like a large tree, but a small twig. Following are the characteristics of this huge animal: It was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant-eating (herbivorous); had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree. It had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water, and was not disturbed by a raging river. He appears impervious to attack because his nose could pierce through snares, but Scripture says, "He that made him can make his sword to approach unto him." In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.

13. Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: "And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself even days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean" (Leviticus 15:13). Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under "running water."

14. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.

15. "During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosyin Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine)." Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God With all these truths revealed in Scripture,how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is supernatural in origin? There is no other book in any of the world’s religions (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific. Hank Hanegraaff said, "Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence." (11:3 continued)