Question about the wind, about God, and about the invisible lion in my basement?

Question

Heh, if I asked you to believe in the invisible lion, and you said but i can't see it, and I said to you, but you can't see the wind, you just see its effects, would you be convinced there is an invisible lion?

God as creator, or the universe started by accident.

Telling me I can't see wind, but I can feel the effects, just like I can feel the effects of God, don't you think if I could feel the effects of God I'd believe in her?

Is there anything more insulting to people's intelligence then "well you can't see wind but you can feel its effects, uh, so feel God's effects".

If anyone has converted to any religion because of the wind thing, bravo to you, I've got this invisible lion . . . . . .

Answer 1

You could convert people with the invisible wind or invisible lion argument,

BUT

you have to ask yourself: If they are stupid enough to fall for that, then do you really want them following you?

I mean, a religion should have SOME standards.

Answer 2

Very interesting point that you make. However, something much more complex than the wind, say the human genetic code may require more than chance. With its multifaceted complexity could there possibly be a cause that was purposeful? Yes, In many christian's attempts to show you that wind has a cause and effect they are using a simplistic illustration, but where there is an effect, there is also inevitably a cause. And If that invisible lion of yours really roared and attacked things, you, me and everyone else who saw or heard the evidence would believe, even without 100% proof.

Not that subjective experience means much at all, but how could so many believer's lives be so changed for the better if there were no such thing as God?

Answer 3

I might not be able to see that lion, but I would proceed with caution. :) :)

I see your frustration. God doesn't fit in the little box you made for him, so now you are mad. :)

You have not seen St. Elmo's Fire. You must choose who to believe. The witness who saw it or the one who didn't.

So, if there really is "something" to God and one person "sees" it and another doesn't, which do you believe? Perhaps both are telling the truth. "I saw it" is as true as "I saw nothing" depending on the vantage point of the observers, right?

What proof is there then? And will I accept it?

Unfortunately we haven't yet invented film that lasts 3,500 years so Moses couldn't hand us a picture of the burning bush. but the lack of evidence is no proof. We have the testimony.

So if testimony is the proof, we must choose. Liar? Lunatic? Or Lord?

There are those who say they have seen, are they liar lunatic or did the see the Lord?

There are those whose lives were changed by what they experienced. are they Liars? Lunatics? Or did they experience the Lord?

What evidence will you accept, if not eyewitness testimony?
How would our science or even our courts work at all, if not for testimony?

How do we know of fusion of the atom? Did you personally do it? Did you personally observe it? Nope. you believe the testimony.

So if testimony is evidence, then what about results...what comes of it? If the people who claim to have experienced God are changed, is it for better or worse?

So, are the ones who did not see accomplishing the same things that the ones who did see are accomplishing? If not, why not? What's the difference that comes with the knowledge that some have, and others do not? Contemporary. Today. The difference is quite tangible.

So observe, hear, and choose.

Answer 4

Three reasons that the Almighty Lord Exists:

1)I have the Ark of the Covenant in my basement

2)The band Gamma Ray Exists

3)If we all knew he didn't exist... no one would be arguing right now... hmmm somethings up.

Dude if this was meant to be an atheistic post, and you were a true atheist, why would you care? Why are you posing such trivial talk? Sounds like you are mad at the Lord brother.
Do you believe that all of the planets that we as humans have not discovered yet are not real, or should we believe in them or what... I'm asking u man.. u seem to know everything... WAIT WAIT I GOT IT... this is god isn't it? Where u been bro?

Answer 5

Here is a story that might help :
A guy is getting a hair cut in the Barber's saloon.
he ask the Barber, why is it there are people walking outside with long over grown hair, why don't these people get a hair cut?
The Barber reply, if they wanted a hair cut, they would first have to come in here and then get the hair cut, they can not get a hair cut by walking around outside my shop.

The point is if you want to find God, you first have to seek him out. You can not expect to know God by aimlessly wandering about. God can not be found with material senses and scientific methods.
God can only be found right within for he is not known, but realized.

Answer 6

But, JD, what if we Christians ARE right.? Here's the thing, if we are wrong, we will be no better or worse off than you will be. ie: we will all be in the same boat so to speak. If however, we Christians are right, we will not all be in the same boat . . . . . you will not be in the boat at all !

Also, there has never been a civilization, regardless of how advanced or primative they were upon discovery, that, as a whole, did not believe in and worship an external, spiritual being greater than themselves. Of course among them there are "non-believers" such as yourself, but, they were always in the minority. How could every civilization on earth be wrong?

Answer 7

If your invisible lion started gnawing on my face, i'd be convinced. No insult intended, but step back and look at the work of a billion fundamentalists world wide and ask yourself why?

Answer 8

The only thing more annoying than the wind analogy is when believers say "look at the trees, the birds, etc." to explain god exists. Makes me scream

Answer 9

I like your invisible lion. The point got across quite well. Kudos.

Answer 10

I agree with you 110%. Religions are beliefs, not facts. To say that there is a God is an opinion and a belief, never a fact.

And to anyone calling you names because you don't believe as they do, F*ck off.