Am I a hate monger conservative!?

Question

This nation was built on the belief in God, whether that is true or not it is working pretty dam well. If we get rid of the crosses, don't we get rid of America. No matter what you are, this is still a English Protestant country. We all take America for granted and think it should be tailored to our needs. Just because we are all equal doesn't change that this is still a white protestant country. No one said America was perfect but its was working better when it was white protestant instead of tailoring to everyone. THIS is not an excuse to hate and blame atheists and blacks for our problems. Hate screws everything up. There was so much hate in this country at one time, changes were needed. Now they are being taken too far. Should America be changed? I don't know the answer. I don't want answers. I want intelligent input.

Answer 1

The answer to your question is: "most definitely." You are a hate monger. Fortunately, America is increasingly more educated and scrutinizing, so views like yours are becoming less threatening, and looked down upon as "ignorance." This country was founded on religious freedom: the freedom to choose Christianity or any other religion. Read the Constitution. Does it mention Jesus? Crosses represent CHRISTIANITY: Jesus' death, not God, alone. I don't understand why Christians are so threatened by other religions. Is is that they are afraid the others will take their members and their members' money away to another church? Why do they lack confidence and FAITH? Isn't this the same Bible that says:
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" (1 Cor. 14:33b-36 NIV)."??

It's so funny how the translation is so subjective, based on individuals' motives. The religion also condemns gays, even though Jesus never did. Such a destructive religion; not one to base a progressive country's laws on. "So much hate in this country at one time"? I'm not sure what " time" you are referring to. Not now? How can we be both "equal" and a "white Protestant" country? That is so contradictory and makes no sense at all. The only sect I blame for the hatred is self-righteous, bigoted, ignoramuses. The rest of us will get along just fine. Our education negates your power.

Answer 2

Good question. I would say you are probably NOT a hate monger conservative (unless you are and you do hate), yet still a conservative, but then so am I, but I still don't agree with you completely. Yes, so far the nation has worked well under religion (Protestant). But the question is would it have worked better? Ok, so here is some input: And first, I am going to point out why I DISAGREE with you that "[America] was working better when it was white protestant instead of tailoring to everyone." I disagree and I want to hypothesize.

Under religion, we have enslaved Blacks who were always equal people but it took Plessy v Ferguson ("separate but equal"), Brown v. Board of Education (desegregation) and then it took until the 1960's to finally get EQUALITY for these equal creations of GOD. I am an atheist, but you are not so I will assume the existence of God to better answer your question and you will see my points better. So these Creations of God have been killed, enslaved, humiliated, discriminated against, and hated (all against God's teachings) for years, UNDER PROTESTANT RULE. So this is not to say religion is bad, (it sometimes is: Crusades, holy war, jihad, pogroms, terrorism, sex abuse, hate), but it is to say that without religion, maybe this would not have occurred. And I'm saying that it wouldn't have been a lot worse off. Other examples would be gay-hating, Religious Right in Congress making it difficult for government to function etc. I am a Republican by the way. And open-minded too.

But point is without giving you lots of examples, I strongly believe America would have been just fine, if not a little better, if not "under God" and without "In God We Trust." But I am not ANTI-religious, and I think things will be just fine under the same principles that we've always had. We shouldn't fix things that aren't broken. But we have to ask ourselves, "Is it broken?" A lot of people would say yes. It IS religion that has caused a lot of the world's wars, but is it Protestantism? Probably not. Yet evangelicals are the barrier to true equality such as gay marriage. I don't know what you think of gay marriage, but if the state is going to permit one kind of marriage, in order to not discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, they really should allow it. However, I don't want to really see gays getting married and do not actively support gay marriage. I know it will become legal, and it is a non-issue for me. It is politicized ONLY because of religion, again.

In any case, the main idea is that if the entire country was atheist, we would NOT be worse off. At least I don't think so. I cannot speak for all atheists, but I know that my morality is much better than most of my very religious friends. I do things for the benefit of others, I find that some religious people are selfish, doing good only for their own salvation, but I am a bit more selfless, doing things for others, because I believe that's how human beings SHOULD act, it is our duty, since this is the only life we get, this is IT!

Thanks for the discussion and the great question.

Answer 3

America shouldn't necessarily be changed. As I see it, it is more important to change the ideals of hate and conceit on an individual basis. From the ground up we all need to realize that this is a country of many races and nations, and like it or not that fact is here to stay. Tolerance, respect, and open-mindedness need to be pushed to the forefront of our ideals rather than hate, selfishness, and paranoia. Too many people do feel that the country should be tailored to their needs. Well there's 300 million people that are also going to need their...needs...tailored to, which won't work. We've all become so caught up in attacking the ideals of others that we can't see the massive problems with ourselves. The only way to world peace is through the ideal of peace on an individual level. Every person has to realize that peace is more desirable than personal glory.

Answer 4

America was not founded on the belief in god. The United States of America was founded on the belief in freedom of religion. ALL RELIGIONS. The founding fathers were, for the most part, freethinkers...agnostics, if you will. Please read your history books.
As for it being a white protestant country, this conclusion is erroneous. America has been, from its conception, a melting pot of all cultures, colors, belief systems, etc. Whites actually make up a very small portion of our collective ethinicity, and Protestants make up an even smaller portion.
In getting rid of crosses, we do not get rid of America, we ensure that the wall between church and state remains intact. Again, please read your history.
And think on this.....if white protestant churches can tell the government what to do, what makes you think the government cannot turn around and to the same to the churches??? Just something to chew over.

Answer 5

When was it ever working better? This country has a history of oppression and hatred. How do you account for what "Engish Protestant" values have done regarding the following: American Indians (manifest destiny), Blacks (slavery & continued economic depression), Japanese (internment), Chinese (railroad), migrant and undocumented workers (underpaid, poverty status), etc. How do you account for the economic gap (SES), irrespective of race and ethnicity? Many people in this country still cling to this notion of English Protestant Right, as though it expected that people would live here and be so overwhelmed with appreciation for establishing this country that we would all just fall in line and become Protestants ourselves. How can you possibly expect that people would want to be a part of something that oppresses people and goes against everything the Constitution set out to do?

Unfortunately you share a lot of the same viewpoints as the KKK. You might want to reconsider or take up the sheets with the rest.

Answer 6

I agree it has nothing to do w/ hate it has to do w/ the problems we are encountering everything is easier access today and everyone takes advantage of well everything they can I have no answers either I just think it looked nicer and felt nicer before the late 70's and 80's hit( I wouldn't know because I was just born in 81) but I know growing up it was much easier than the stuff my child faces everyday. It just plain sucks that he can't ride to the store for fear of everything my parents used to let us roam until dinner or street lights which ever came first I would love to see that again but am realistic enough to know it won't happen it is to hard to change people don't like it and won't accept it

Answer 7

America isn't the only country that has this problem. I'm English & live in Germany. England has the same problem with the Indians & Pakistanis & Germany has the same problem with the Turkish.

What you say makes some sense, but you have to remember that civil liberties weren't as rife in those days as they are now - there were a lot of etiquette rules that people adhered to then where as now, we have free speech etc.

Answer 8

This country was founded on the beliefs of Deists (who believe God has no influence over the world) and the writings of John Locke. It was founded on the basis of equality for EVERYONE, and freedom of religion for EVERYONE. Not just white Protestants. By saying this, you, sir, are contributing to the hate that you claim screws everything up.

Answer 9

I don't think there are any easy answers. I do know that, growing up in the 50s and 60s was a heck of alot saner and safer than it is now...and I believe that people's attitude toward, "God and country" played a HUGE part in that. Since being Christian is no longer "politically correct", things have changed...sadly, mostly for the worse.

Answer 10

Sorry, but whether it's better for the country of not, we can't go back to being soley white protestant. Geez, of course things needed to change. Government decisions should not be based on religion, race, or sex. Equality is more important than efficiency.