Yep, the bible is wrong... how about those apples.
2006-08-22 07:20:43
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answer #1
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answered by WhiteHat 6
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Julia makes a good point - by merely saying the word "Us", does not automatically prove equality. It simply means that when God created, God involved one or more others in that creation process. We can't even say whether that extra invovlement was necessary, we can only say that there was a suggestion that one "other" participate. By reading the rest of the creation event, though, you note that it says "And God said...and it was so" for all the various creations. It doesn't mention this "other" during those points. This does imply that this "other" was also God, was part of God, was equal with God, or perhaps all three. Many would claim that Jesus fits this bill nicely based on other biblical passages.
But, I suppose you could argue for other interpretations as well (i.e. God took all the credit, even though the others participated or God had created the others who were to assist, so God really did it all anyway, etc.) You could even argue as you did that there's a race of "equals" (although there isn't anything that comes close to supporting this in the Bible, which you're trying to argue from). If this were so, the rest of this race didn't seem to want to be involved past that point and was content with having this one God take all the credit (or maybe they said "you're on your own, you make it!"). My point being - you can argue this any way that makes you happy, but it doesn't make it right and it doesn't prove any point.
No matter which way you look at it, where is the basis for not respecting a God because in the religious writings it says "our"? I bet that YOU could not "say...and it was so." Your logic for "demoting" God just doesn't follow.
2006-08-22 15:01:13
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answered by MikeG 2
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>>>When God says "Our" image twice in that passage he is stating he has an equal among him.<<<
No, He's not.
When the CEO of a company says that "We posted a profit last quarter," that doesn't mean that everybody in the company is equal to him on the corporate ladder. That's not what is meant by his using the word "we."
It's the same in Gen 1. God's use of "we" probably refers to Himself and the angels.
It absolutely does NOT mean that He's stating that He has "equals."
I'm afraid you're reading words into the verse that are clearly not there.
2006-08-22 14:20:51
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answered by Anonymous
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The two people present were Jesus and God. Jesus and God are seperate individuals, despite what trinitarians claim (John 14:28; 8:42). Jesus himself was created by God and Jesus had a share in the creation of all things, including mankind.
Proverbs 8:22-31
Angels are never spoken of in the Bible as being used in creating things. Therefore, God was speaking to Jesus.
2006-08-22 14:20:28
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answered by johnusmaximus1 6
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If any of you have read the Gnostic Gospels, then you would know that there are alternate versions of creation, mainly one that points out that God does have equals (and in fact superiors) but his arrogance blinds him to this fact, causing him to believe that he is the only one. And I do believe that there are specific situations in the Bible (most notably the 10 commandments) where God instructs people to worship no other God but him. This does not prove that there *are not* other gods. No where does he ever deny the existence of other gods.
2006-08-22 14:26:26
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answered by cataclysmut 1
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Colossians 1:15,16-"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16Â because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. "
This scripture is referring to Jesus. He was the first thing God created and the only thing God directly created himself. God then used Jesus to create everything else.
2006-08-22 14:27:30
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answered by CHRISTINA 4
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The plurality your are speaking of is a reference to the Trinity.
1 John 5:7-8
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Lucifer was expelled from Heaven for trying to be an equal to God.
Isaiah 14:12-15
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Interestingly enough he was cast out by Michael the Archangel. The name Michael means: "Who is like God?"
Finally:
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
2006-08-22 14:27:37
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answered by jake_deyo 4
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1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The Father ,Son and Holy Spirit
1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
In Christ in LOve,
TJ57
2006-08-22 14:32:56
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answered by TJ 57 4
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What Christina said. Oh and TJ 57, the words you are quoting from 1John 5:7,8 are well known by scholars to have been added much later, they do not appear in the older manuscripts and are therefore spurious, most modern translations omit them.
2006-08-22 14:42:18
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answered by Frax 4
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In christianity, "our" could refer to God and Jesus and Holy Spirit. I've also heard people say "our" is a majestic translation, as in when a King would refer to himself as "We".
2006-08-22 14:20:23
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answered by Anonymous
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"Our" refers to Jesus Christ, 2nd person of the Godhead, and the Holy Spirit, 3rd person of the Godhead so there is only ONE GOD but 3 divine persons, Father Son and Holy Spirit.
2006-08-22 14:22:36
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answered by Mamma mia 5
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