mature ppl only, this is about abortions. please no psychos.?

Question

i just answered a question about being prolife, and why its ok to pro-lifers in the case of rape. my question is, there were many responses to this question saying that its murder no matter what.
*please separate your responses with each question when you answer.*
question 1) if your child was raped and brutally murdered at the age of 12, would you want to kill the person that did it?

question 2) if your child was raped at the age of 12, would you want her to have the baby?

question 3) if you were married to a wonderful, loving man, and had 3 children to him, and you go to the store one day. you are raped by a drug dealer on the street, and get pregnant. would you have a child to this man?

question 4) would you expect your husband to stay with you if you had a baby to a rapist???

people pretend to be prolife, but instances such as these, how could you believe in it?

true, it should not be a method of birth control. but in instances like these...please comment.

Answer 1

NOBODY is pro-life, not even YOU, and i've proved it:

"Pro-lifers" (or ANTI-CHOICERS) are ignorant, uneducated, and CONTRADICTORY. They are not really pro-life as they claim to be.

If they were pro-life, they would NOT support a war killing thousands of REAL, INNOCENT children as opposed to an insignificant embryo or fetus. (The majority of pro-lifers are conservative republicans who SUPPORT the war.)

If they were pro-life, they would not support killing animals just to satisfy their taste buds, or to make a fashion statement (furs, animal skins, etc).

If they were pro-life, they would not kill insects.

If they were pro-life, they would not support "pro-lifers" who bomb abortion clinics, kill doctors who perform abortions, harass innocent employees at abortion clinics, nor would they do it themselves.

If they were pro-life, they would not support the dealth penalty.

If they were pro-life, they would adopt many many children since they supposedly "care so much" and want to make sure that all people considering abortions carry the pregnancy to term and give the child up for adoption.

If they were pro-life, they would NEVER make statements like "you should have been aborted".

If they were pro-life, they would be genuinely nice and understanding, and they would NEVER gossip about people, insult people, or hate people. Why are some pro-lifers SO mean? If they really cared about the lives of others, would they be mean, and judgemental? No, they wouldn't! Why aren't they nice to everyone? Since they are mean to people and hate people, that means it wouldn't matter to them if those people died, So why do they care about the lives of certain "people", and not others? That's not fair, and that's contradictory.

MY body, MY life, MY reproductive system, MY fetuses and embryos, MY business, MY choice.

Since when is a piece of flesh more important than a grown woman? Who cares if it has a heartbeat? The fetus or embryo may have a heartbeat, but that is NOT life. It is not a baby until it is viable. It can not survive without the mother's body, and the mother should not be forced to have her body used as an incubator. It's HER body. Forcing a woman to carry a child she does not want is more disgusting than rape. Statistics show that women who had forced pregnancies and gave their children up for adoption suffer more than women who have been raped. Rape is a quick thing. If you were already sexually active before being raped, it will not be so hard to deal with. But having to carry an unwanted child for 9 months and then having to give it up? That's extremely painful physically and emotional. That is over 9 months of physical struggles, and a lifetime of emotional struggles.

Also, the fetus may be "alive", but is it life? No! It's not. It is not yet living a real life. It is just a piece of flesh with a heartbeat. I can think of MANY more things with a heart beat which pro-lifers do NOT care about.

Did you know that illnesses are LIVING ORGANISMS? Yes, AIDS, and CANCER are LIVING. Does that mean that you should live with them, and let yourself die?

Did you know that tumors have PULSES? Yes, tumors have pulses and they are LIVING ORGANISMS. Does that mean you should let the tumor destroy your body?

I have plenty more examples showing how pro-lifers are contradictory, but I won't waste time.

We all know pro-lifers are uneducated, ignorant, and the only purpose of their life is to follow their bullsh*t religion so they can get to "heaven". They haven't got minds of their own, and are gullible enough to believe what the bible has to say.

The arguments pro-lifers make about abortion are wrong, anyway. They ALWAYS mention "God" when debating about abortion. WELL PRO-LIFERS, GUESS WHAT? You're wrong! There is NO proof of "God" therefore the "facts" you provide are FICTION!

Every pro-lifer should get a life, and leave everybody alone. My body is none of their business. My reproductive system is none of their business. My fetuses and embryos are none of their business. Have they nothing better to do than harass people all day? Are they THAT pathetic, and bored?

ALL pro-lifers are contradictory and their arguments are ridiculous. They say the stupidest things like:

"Why kill an innocent baby when you can give it to a family that wants kids but can't have kids?"

-First of all, other families are none of my business. Why should I waste 9 months of my life going through physical and emotional hell just so I can make a random couple happpy?
Second of all, There are already SO many unwanted children in this world. There are so many orphanages and foster homes, and NOBODY cares about the children in them. If there were really "SO many people who want kids but cant have them", then there wouldn't be any unwanted children out there!
Why bring another unwanted children into this already over-populated world?
Also, why don't pro-lifers adopt a few children themselves?
...I just proved that pro-lifers don't know what they are talking about and that they are CONTRADICTORY.


"if you're not ready for a child, you're not ready for sex! if you're not ready to face the consequences, don't spread your legs!"

-That is NOT true. Sex is a natural, beautiful, pleasurable thing which everybody should experience whether they are ready for children or not. Having children is not the only purpose of sex. If sex existed solely for reproducing, then orgasms would not exist! Sex is here for us to enjoy, not only to have children.
Also, there are SO many people who already have a few children, are happily married, but are NOT ready for more children. For example, Would you say that a middle aged woman who has children and is married but is NOT emotionally, physically, and financially ready for another child is not ready for sex? Of course you wouldn't! But of course that woman still has sex despite the fact that she's not ready for more children.
...Once again, I have proved that pro-lifers don't know what they are talking about and that they are contradictory.


"if you saw somebody trying to kill their child in the street of course you would do something about it"

-Yes, i'd do something about it, but that is totally irrelevant. That has NOTHING to do with abortion.
You can NOT compare a real child to a fetus or embryo.
Who cares if you terminate a pregnancy when the fetus or embryo can't feel anything and is NOT aware of anything occuring as opposed to a child that can feel and is aware?
It has been scientifically proven that a fetus can NOT feel anything before 20 weeks. 90% of abortions are terminated long before 20 weeks; long before the fetus can feel anything.
Even if a woman has an abortion after 20 weeks when the fetus can feel, who cares? The emotional and physical pain the mother goes through is much worse than the pain the fetus is going through. The fetus will only "feel pain" for a short while as opposed to a woman who will feel pain and discomfort for over 9 months. Also, the fetus's brain is not developed enough to acknowledge the situation. Why do you think nobody remembers being in their mother's stomach?
...Once again, I have proved pro-lifers wrong.

"what if your baby wouldve found the cure for aids or cancer?!?!"

-There are "what ifs" in EVERY situation no matter how minor or major it is. You can NOT justify something or say something is wrong based on "what ifs".
Here is a question I have for you, pro-lifers: "What if the baby would've been the next hitler?"
...Once again, MY argument WINS.


For the men: You don't have a right to oppose abortion, and you do NOT have the right to speak out against it. You also do NOT have the right to criticise women who have had abortions.
Let me tell you when you will be able to oppose abortion. You will be able to oppose abortion the day your PENIS turns into a VAGINA, the day you GROW A UTERUS, the day you get a MENSTRUAL PERIOD, the day your body CHANGES TO ACCOMODATE AN EMBRYO OR FETUS INSIDE OF IT, and the day YOU GET PREGNANT. That is the day you will be allowed to speak out against abortion. Too bad that will NEVER happen, so keep your ignorant opinions to yourself.

Answer 2

1) I would try my hardest to forgive him as I am a Christian. I would try my best to remind myself that killing him would do nothing to help anyone, least of all me, as I would find myself in prison etc. I would want to have nothing to do with the person.

2) No, I would not WANT her to have it, of course not. However, whether I think that she should is slightly different. It would seriously affect her life, the child would be a constant reminder of an utterly horrific incident so actuallly having said this, I think I would want to abort it. In the best interests of everyone, including the baby. I don't know exactly what it says in the bible about this, but sometimes circumstances can become so bad, that you have to take extreme measures. I'm only 16, don't have a 12 year old daughter, but I presume that my feeling would only be exaggerated if I did. (Would things like the morning after pill not be a better option, if possible, than a traumatic abortion??)

3)I think that the answer to this is the same as to question 2. Though of course you would be mature to make the decision for yourself, yes very difficult. Is there a difference between pro-life and pro-good-life, because how would a child feel growing up to find them different in little ways to their brothers and sisters, to then find out that the only reason he/she exists is because of the result of a horrific and violent crime - well, I would not like that. I do not think that would count as a good upbringing and not a good basis for a good life. I would say no.

4) I would have to say that I would expect him to stay with me. Chances are that you are going through far more than he is. He should respect your reasons for keeping it, he should love you and I think if he truly did then he would stay with you, though of course cannot comment from personal experience.

These circumstances are certainly different than if a boyfriend and girlfriend sleep together, knowing full what they are doing, but just wanting a bit of fun. I mean rape is a completely different question when it comes to the whole arbortion question, and I think that perhaps it could be justified as an exception.

Answer 3

1.) "Yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell!" -Samuel L. Jackson, A Time to Kill

Honestly, if it were my child, I would want to see the person dead. I wouldn't take matters into my own hands, but I would certainly try to get them punished by the full extent of the law. I wouldn't stop until justice was served.

2.) No. It's not physically healthy for a child that age to bear children. Not only that, but it would completely ruin her childhood and young adulthood. Rape is traumatizing enough. Let's not add pregnancy to the mix.

3.) No. I would abort. That pregnancy was not my choice, and there is no saying whether the child would have any genetic problems. Not only that, but children eventually find out that they are adopted, etc. It would be unfair to the child resulting from that act to discover later that not only was it unwanted, it was forced upon me. From a psychological standpoint, I don't believe that I nor my husband would be able to look at that child the same way that I looked at my other children, which is completely unfair.

4.) Yes. Though I wouldn't have the child, if circumstances made it my only choice, I would expect my spouse, who vowed to stick by me, to support me through the ordeal. However, sometimes people do not like to be faced daily with a reminder of a terrible memory, so it is always possible that my husband would choose to leave.

Answer 4

1) yes I would kill him
2) No not really she is just a kid with a whole life ahead of her
3) and 4) very difficult I would have to have a serious talk with my husband and things run thru my mind like " Is this baby created for a reason?" "If this man has aids and my baby gets it, will it not die anyway?" But I am sure if your husband is an understanding man he would be sensitive to the fact you were raped and you two should make the decision. Besides there are other options such as adoption. Some people cant have children at all.....

Answer 5

1. I would no doubt feel the desire for revenge against a person who had murdered my innocent child. However, the Bible teaches that vengence belongs to the Lord, and that it is the duty of the state to punish murderers.

2. If my daughter became pregnant through rape, she would already "have" a baby inside her. Of course I would not want her to kill the innocent child.

3. Again, of course I would not kill the innocent child. The rape would not be the baby's fault.

4. Yes, I would expect my husband to stay with me. Why wouldn't he? The crime would not be my fault or the fault of the child.

No one should have the "right" to kill another innocent human being. The circumstances of a child's conception are not the child's fault, and he or she should not be punished by death for the crime of his or her father. Would you shoot an infant whose father was a rapist? Would you say that she was somehow less worthy of life than the rest of us? Abortion is no different.

Furthermore, abortion only increases the trauma of a woman who has been raped. She becomes the aggressor, hurting another innocent victim the way she was hurt, and that will haunt her long after she has healed from the rape. Interviews were conducted recently of nearly two hundred women who had conceived babies in rape. NONE of the women who chose to give birth regretted it, while nearly all of the women who aborted their babies expressed regret.

To read some of their stories and for more information on this issue, see:

http://www.afterabortion.info/Victims/index.htm
http://www.family.org/fofmag/sl/a0039249.cfm
http://www.afterabortion.info/PAR/V2/n1/RAPESUM.htm
http://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/Answers.cfm?ID=31

For information on all aspects of abortion, visit http://Abort73.com

Answer 6

(1)Yes, i would find a way to punish him but unfortanly i would probaly end up in jail and that would not help anything!As for Q's 2,3 and 4,if a female,at any age,gets pregant by a rapist, i beleive it is up to the female to decide if she wants to live with that knowledge all of her and the unborn childs life.if she can live with it and love it as if it was not concived in this manor then she should have the child. I believe that a child should be brought into this world to be loved and cared for, if you can not provide this then one should not have the child or at least give it away for adoption.That way one only has to live with it for 9 months( and still give the child a life) and that way the child will go to a family that does not care for where it came from, they are just HAPPY to have a child!As to question #4,I also strongly believe that abortion should not be used as a method of birth control..females should be smarter (and maybe be more educated in school!!!)and close their legs and ALWAYS wear a condom if they can't keep their legs closed!!!!

Answer 7

1) If my child was raped and murdered her rapist would be dead instantly ( as soon as I knew who they were)
2)No most certainly not.
3)I could not, some people say they can but why would I want to put my entire family through this horrific tragedy on a daily basis
4) If I chose to have a rapist baby yes I would expect my husband to stay with me. FOR BETTER OR WORSE.

I am definitely a pro-choice girl, but do not believe it should be used as birth control. I also believe that both mother and father should consent.

Answer 8

There are people who have self belief that once you have an abortion you're terminating a existence. they have desperate of their very own thoughts that existence starts at concept so as that whenever you have an abortion this is taking a existence. Their reaction to somebody having an abortion is resembling a cat lover who see somebody drown a bag of kittens because of the fact they do no longer % them. Neither act is prohibited yet they evoke good reactions in many people. To them this isn't any longer a count of decision, abortion is an unethical, immoral act that is going against what's suitable for society often. this is taking a existence that would not might desire to ensue. this is a few thing that folk will by no skill agree upon. to those that are professional abortion, you're in basic terms ridding your self of a few undesirable cells that are transforming into right into somewhat one. The the anti abortion individuals, you're taking a existence because of the fact this is inconvient to you and your existence-type. greater exciting to me is how this is ascertain whilst it somewhat is a mass of cells and whilst this is an unborn newborn. Is it a mass of cells sometime previously this is start? How approximately 6 days? How approximately 20 days? On what day does it change over and what makes the alternative? between the justifications that 1st trimester abortions are criminal is, that at one time, a fetus born in the 1st trimester could no longer stay to tell the story. If technologies modifications so as that a fetus born after 8 weeks can stay to tell the story and improve right into a wellness newborn, is it nonetheless alright to have a abortion after 8 weeks? might desire to this transformation the regulation? Is there any condition which you will foresee the place the regulation might desire to get replaced making the term for abortion longer or shorter? If we knew that once 10 days that a fetus ought to experience discomfort and became into responsive to this is ecosystem, might that variety your opinion approximately having an abortion after 10 days? i think of that this subject count might desire to be debated and questions asked because of the fact this concern is a lot greater desirable than a top to % or the banning of a start administration decision. it somewhat is a question approximately what's existence, how can we realize it, how can we cope with it, is all existence equivalent and helpful. quicker or later in time we can be vacationing faraway from this planet and how we view existence on our very own planet will result how we view existence on different worlds.

Answer 9

I'm pro-choice regardless of the circumstances, a woman's body is her choice. I would rather see a woman abort than try to bring up a child she can't or won't properly care for. I HATE parents who convince their young daughters not to give a baby up for adoption because they think they can help her raise it. I think women who use abortion as a form of birth control are sad, sorry, pathetic cases, but it's still their choice and their right. As long as a system is in place, there will always be those who abuse it, no matter what the system, no matter what the options. There will always be those who oppose the system, there will always be those who turn a blind eye to all aspects of a problem, and there will always be those who are quick to blame but offer no real insight themselves. It's human nature. Sad, but true.

Answer 10

1) Yes... and if convicted, I would want to be the 1 that pulls the switch

2) No... why should she be forced to remember where that baby came from

3) As a guy, I can honestly answer for my wife - she would say "no"

4) As a guy, I don't think I would be able to ever show any love for a drug dealers baby if my wife decided to have it... Nor do I think I could respect her for having it

Keep in mind, most Pro Lifer's are only interested in the right to give birth, cause they generally don't mind killing them when they are adults by sending them off to unjustified wars only to support a President knowing it's unjustified... Right to life? HA!

Answer 11

1. The Law should take its course.
2. God has given soul to the baby so it must live!! irrespective of the circumstance.
3. Same for (2) above.
4. For tha reason of (2) above, a Godly husband should understand.