do you think womens lib has gone to far?

Question

my way of thinking is were not really equall, a man will 99% of the time be stronger than a female. i take it as a nice gesture when a man holds the door for me, asks if i need help carring something etc.Some women take it as an insult... why? The big wammy is i belive a woman should be at home with the kids, raising them, teaching them manners etc. Our world has gone haywire and i think its because the genders are confused on what they should be doing. So has womens lib gone to far,,, whats your thoughts.

Answer 1

I think it's gone too far. Everyone has equal opportunity to treat each other like dirt now. At least when women were "ladies" and men were "gentlemen," people acknowledged each other's presences by stating "good morning/evening" and using the now foreign terms of "please" and "thank you".

I work in the customer service industry and you wouldn't believe the things that I see. People think nothing of cutting in front of each other in line, "stealing" parking spaces, allowing the door to shut in someone else's face. The public transit system really disgusts me these days. It unfortunate to see so many people that would allow a pregnant woman or the frail elderly to stand rather than get off their duff and give up their seat. (I try not to sit near the front to reserve those seats for those who need it. I always offer up my seat (even if I'm going twice the distance they are). If I'm speaking about you, then shame! Shame! Shame!

Answer 2

I think women's lib has gone to far. Take for example what happened to me. I held open the door for a women going into a store, she grabbed the door from me, re-shut it then opened it herself, all the time without saying a word. I have had women hold the door open for me, I do not have a problem with it. I look at it as a courtesy, not because I am a man. Take also for example that if there were two candidates for a job, both had exactly the same skills, and were the exact same in everything. The women would get the job most of the time, because they get a tax break nowadays for hiring women and minorities.

Answer 3

I think a woman should have the same choices as any other PERSON. regardless of sex (male or female). If a woman wants to be in the workforce and she has the capacity to do so, well good for her! if she wants to stay at home and focus her life on being a caregiver, good for her! The point is, it is a woman's choice. I shouldn't have to WANT to stay home to be considered a "real woman" or a "better mother."

I agree with you to some degree. I mean, I would LOVE to stay at home and care for my kids for at LEAST the first two years. But for some women, that is just not financially possible. And I DO believe that parents now-a-days should be a LOT more careful about how they raise their kids.

On the other hand, I work, and have done so for the past 14 years. I am also a graduate and want to put my education to use. This means that I am going to be a working woman. BUT I also like to be treated like a lady. Why is it that I have to choose ONE or the OTHER?!?!? Why can't I have my door opened, mu chair pulled out, be told that I am the most beautiful woman, and still bring home the bacon?

Why CAN'T I have my cake and eat it too?

so to answer your question: I suppose it just depend on what woman you are talking about...I mean, there are some women who make it seem as though they need nothing from anyone and no one to help them with anything. To these women, I say: get over yourself. As for me, I feel that I have a lot to contribute to society through my career path. so I choose to work, but I also want my husband to be a man and open my doors, kiss me on the cheek, give me roses, etc.

Answer 4

here we go...i'm giving you a serious, honest answer to this question. i believe that feminism is the most understood "ism" in our society. it's not something that gets airtime on MTV and as such, most twenty-somethings don't understand it. i have read A LOT on the subject and can, i think, logically divide this into something at least similar to an answer.

first off, men are often stronger than women. however, women tend to have more endurance and a higher tolerance for pain. six of this half dozen of the other...

as a feminist i don't get disgruntled when a man holds a door open for me, or a women, or a trained chimp. holding the door open for someone is a polite, humanistic gesture.

i also believe that both parents play an essential role in parenting. studies have proven that it is equally important for a child to spend a lot of time with his/her mother and his/her father. not only that, but the most well adjusted children come from homes where the children spend a lot of time with multiple influences- peers, aunts, uncles, friends, etc. well adjusted children are a product of socialization. in a perfect world, both parents would be able to stay at home with the children and raise them with full, attentive, unrelenting love and care. however, due to the fact that most households require two incomes to thrive, this isn't an option for a lot of women...or men, for that matter.

finally, and this should not be taken as an insult - if you think that you could be on here making these assertions without the "women's lib" movement, aka feminist movement, you would be sorely mistaken.[as would i] without the women that fought and died for our rights from our mothers' and grandmothers' generations, we would NOT be able to deem when we had children or how we cared for them. we would not be able to make any assertions unless we were lucky enough to marry a gentle man.

maybe you could read some books about feminism and gage for yourself how you feel about it. don't let anyone tell you what to believe/disbelieve.

Answer 5

No, I don't think so. I somewhat agree with your thoughts about women at home raising the kids; but, only because the average woman is better at it than the average man. Aside from that, women are still considered a minority. While they have the same opportunities, the final outcome will almost always favor men. If anything, the women's lib movement has taken a wrong turn. Extremist groups like N.O.W. are undoing what many women have fought hard to achieve. Having said that, my wife is liberated; but, I still open doors for her and do other things that would make a feminist cringe and she doesn't mind at all. I feel women should take the pampering while they still can, I would.

Answer 6

Yes, it would be lovely if someone could stay and give children the care they need in their early years. It would also be wonderful if 65% of relationships between men and women were NOT abusive. It would be wonderful if women were not paid, on the average 59 cents to the white male dollar. Oops, excuse me, that is an old number, the new average is 57 cents. It would be wonderful if what women contributed to society, teachers, nurses, child care workers, social services, was considered valuable and paid accordingly. And let's not forget mothers, the most underpaid labor of them all. So who is going to support these women while they are raising the children?
And as swar2001 said, you can say anything you want and even collect a paycheck in your own name because "womens lib" has gone to far. As early as the 1920's you couldn't. The paycheck would go to your father, your husband or your brother. You could not vote nor make any economic decisions in your own marriage or your own home. So where would you like us to stop. And who say's women want to be equal to men? For most of us who have had to survive on next to nothing while raising children that absent fathers refused to support, it would be a step down. We don't necessarily want to do "male" jobs we want the jobs we do do to be paid adequately. And we want daycare, and health care and education for our children. Yes, by god I think we have gone to far.

"A woman has to do twice as much as a man to prove she's half as good. Fortunately that is not difficult."

Answer 7

(by this I'm assuming you disagree with extreme feminism)
And I agree with you. But I also believe it should be the choice of the couple, if the father wants to stay at home and the mother wants to work than that's perfectly fine. As long as someone is home and there is enough money coming in, it should work. Men's gestures aren't a way of pointing out women's weaknesses, they're nice gestures. (Either gender can be sexist, and it does no good for either)

Answer 8

Alright. I think the old family values are still prized but it's not easy to make the switch from 2 incomes down to one and not easy to find a stay at home job that doesn't compete for the mother's attention just as much as a child does. I was one of the mom's who made the switch and the sacrifice was hard. I was the only one carrying any medical insurance and it was an outstanding package that cost me only 30.00 mo. for my entire family. We sacrificed that and a steady, good wage. Staying home with our daughter was what we wanted me to do. I did, in short order, start up a business online that I sometimes couldn't tackle until everyone else went to bed. We needed money for those medical bills and the myriad others. It's an economic crunch. Bear in mind, also, that not every corporation out there is understanding about a woman taking an extended leave of absence to raise her children. So should a woman flush her hard won education, reputation and CV down the toilet? It's a tough decision for any woman and the balancing act most do is amazing. Private school usually will require 2 incomes, and special needs kids......do the parents address those needs of their own finances or does one quit and maybe rely on federal programs for assistance? Is the stress in a household generated by worry over bills any better for a child than the stress of a parent who maybe picks that child up from daycare 2 hours after school lets out? And the need for 2 cars in good running order that require the now expensive gas will still exist but suddenly those needs will need to be met on one income? Tough to do. I've only JUST found a job in addition to my business that is part time and only during the hours my child is in school.....but it doesn't come with benefits. As for door opening, door holding, groceries being carried......it's just really good manners and has little to do with the liberation of women. That's not what the feminist movement was about at all. I appreciate it when a door is held for me. I hold doors for guys and I'm sure they appreciate it right back. I don't see it as a he-man vs. scarlett o'hara issue so much as a communal caring. But none of these are markers of what the women's movement was about. I think you're wondering where the civilized life went, where simpler times went and all I can say is: progress creates its own demands of the progressive.

I think it's up to each family to achieve the balance they need.

The women's movement was not born of resentment over good manners.....it was born of resentment though. I wouldn't want to have had to live the life of my grandmother.......where all you did was breed and feed, did not have control of the finances at all because your darling husband was the breadwinner and HE would decide what your grocery budget should be though he hadn't stepped foot in a grocery store in years. I wouldn't have wanted to have the fate of my years decided that way, wrested of my control. I wouldn't have wanted my brilliant thoughts and ability to go unused in a larger capacity simply because it was decreed that a woman should stay at home. I wouldn't have wanted to face the scorn and derision of a woman who chose otherwise, the ostracization. We have choices now because of the brave women who were at the forefront of this movement. We have choices that WE make. You have no idea how valuable that is until you've heard the stories of baby boomers and their parents.

The best you can do is the best YOU can do. Require no other to do your best for your benefit.

Forgot to mention.....even though I have developed my online business to a point where it has sustained my family through some dark hours, I went the first three years with zero recognition from even my husband for it. People, friends and acquaintances, treated it as though it was a hobby, an unimportant thing and they looked down on me for not providing a better income. I fought the opposite tide on this one and I'm glad I did. Be aware, though, that the contingent of stay-at-home mothers faces a discrimination of its own among our own gender and it's a much more vocal discrimination that you think. The grass is NOT always greener.

Answer 9

Madam, I haven't heard the term women's lib in about 25 years!!!! It's called Feminism. And you are permeating all the tired old stereotypes. Women who are feminists don't hate men, nor do feminists think every women should be in the workforce instead of the home. It was idiot women like Phylis Schaffley and far right born again Christian women's groups like REAL Women and born again Christian men who told their subservient little wifeys that that was what feminism was.

Feminism is about choices- your choices, my choices , your daughter's choices, your sister's choices andy women and girls' choices.

You wanna stay home , fine you can stay home. If I want to work and not get married or have children that's my option and my choice. When you stepford wives started getting judgemental and looking down your noses at women who didn't want the same things as you that's when Feminism got nasty. And you know what the men love it , it keeps us in our place and then they can say see the cats fight.

But without feminists pushing for pay raises although women still earn less than men, getting things like entitlement 9 that allowed women to play sports and get scholarships, where would we be? Not all women care to be stepford wives and I like manners too, but I'm perfectly capable of opening my own door when I want to.

The world didn't get in the state it's in because of feminism, it got the way it did because men and the old boys network keep it that way. They'd like to see us all remain as chattel and subservient. No can do . And it was MY mother a housewife who encouraged me to be a feminist and she was encouraged by my grandmother who was a suffragette.

Answer 10

I think it is just where it should be. It has not gone too far.
Why, because things change around us for the better. Nothing is forever. If we do not let women do the things they do today, we as humanity will be lesser to benefit because a full 50% of the population that can contribute and be productive is lost.

So, there is no such thing as womans liberation. It is so 1950's. Women are already liberated. It is just that we should give them more support.

If you believe in keeping a woman pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen either you belong to the 50's or you are a muslim....!!

PS: Please use spell check next time. Your English is atrocious. Get the punctuations in, please. It is so diffcult to read and understand what you are saying.