Why is it that you say that God has to be created?..
The bible says "In the begining God created the heavens and the universe.
Scientist have proven that the Earth is indeed Non-Static. Therefore it had a begining, so time began.
If you don't believe the evidence of creation thats up to you.. But don't make the claim that God had to be created, if he lives outside the realm of time..
2006-08-21 07:16:04 · 18 answers · asked by ۞ JønaŦhan ۞ 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
You forget one thing... If you have a begininig..You must have a beginner..
2006-08-21 08:00:17 · update #1
If something is always there... How could it ever be created??? You are not making any sense..
2006-08-22 03:32:41 · update #2
Example 1. English is the best language, everybody who speaks it tells me so... I'm haven't learned any other language because I know it's the best, this is a fact....
Example 2. I love chess, I play it all the time. Last week I met these poor fools trying to play it by using "rackets", "a tennis ball" and a "tennis court", they had chess all wrong.
Nonchristians don't take Christian dogma or the Bible as premises (rules of the board game) to move arguments around
Evidence of Creation - you see creation, that's you and your tradition's word - if you say creation it implies a creator, intelligent design etc and opens up puzzles for you to negotiate using the rules of your game. It's like the question about god being all powerful and all good and how can they be reconciled - if you believe these things well it's a problem, if you don't it's not a question you need answer.
Of course you can universalize and say Jesus is relevant to everybody but an equally religious person of another tradition will give you and equally self referential reason for belief in their beliefs and refute you based on the same logic as you - i.e. making reference to the truth which all of you will claim is located in your tradition.
- have a look at some Wittgenstein on the idea-
even if there was a creation maybe it happened as per another creation story. could be Shiva and if it were that would render the Bible's claims about itself irrelevant...
"if he lives outside of the realm of time" - that's your premise based on your belief, not everybody shares it... even if you claim is a universal fact, doesn't make it so
Read what duckphup wrote and actually think about it, also look up the term emotivism
2006-08-21 07:56:33 · answer #1 · answered by Hoolahoop 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That is not what we think.
We say "If God lived outside of time, than why can;t the rest of the universe". god was created by Man to explain the beginning of time. Amost every culture has some theory behind this. Funny how you call Greek Myths as such, when in fact they could be just as correct as you. The creation of Earth is not the beginning of time, just the creation of the Earth. The universe is in fact much older than the Earth.
2006-08-21 14:23:21 · answer #2 · answered by billyandgaby 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The earth did indeed have a beginning. It was about 14.5 billion years ago, I think - maybe on a Tuesday?
But what does "outside the realm of time" mean? Did you make that up, or did you get it from some other fundamentalist? Where did he get it? If you got it from someone else, did you ask them what it means? And why would residence there mean he doesn't have to be created?
2006-08-21 14:32:03 · answer #3 · answered by Ralfcoder 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The 'evidence of creation' that you cite is basically that idea that something so complex as the world/universe/life/whatever obviously requires a creator. This exemplifies the logical fallacy (flaw in thinking) known as the "Argument From Incredulity"... which is a sub-category of the "Argument ad Ignorantiam" (Argument From Ignorance). It goes something like this: "I can't conceive of how this might have come to be; therefore, God did it."
That does not represent a limitation of nature... it represents a limitation of knowledge or intellect. Also, it is intellectually dishonest, since it does not ACKNOWLEDGE the limitation of knowledge or intellect... it merely invokes the fanciful idea of a supernatural creator-entity to manifest the ILLUSION that cognitive dissonance has been resolved. It substitutes 'faith' for fact, and 'belief' for knowledge. Neither faith nor belief are sufficient to sustain reason... they are only sufficient to sustain willful ignorance.
That is the epitome of self-delusion.
Anyway... carrying on with the idea of complexity... obviously, logic requires that the 'creator' must be more complex than the 'creation'. If we accept that idea (god is more complex than his creation), and we accept the idea that 'complexity' requires a creator, then that same argument requires that, OF NECESSITY, God is required to have been created. This leads to an infinite regression of creator... creation... creator... which is, of course, impossible.
You can not avoid invoking this infinite regression by claiming that the creator operates from outside our dimensions, because that same argument can be applied at every level of the infinite regression.
Logically, if you accept the idea of a creator, then you must also accept that he/she/it had to have been created.
Occams razor tells us that this idea (supernatural creator) is thus... hmmmm... what's the scientific term?... oh, yeah... horseshit.
2006-08-21 14:36:13 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
If a thing exists, it has to have a beginning.
If a thing has no beginning it does not exist.
There is no margin for doubt about this, and all the mumbo jumbo in the world about anything living "outside the realm of time" won't change that.
2006-08-21 14:30:48 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Your statement makes no sense. If we don't believe in God then we don't believe where he supposedly came from. Just leave people alone. The world came from somewhere. It came from particles in space that came together and formed a planet. Life formed on the planet because it had the right components for life to be created. That makes much more sense than God came from nowhere and created us for his entertainment.
2006-08-21 14:23:45 · answer #6 · answered by *Cara* 7 · 4⤊ 0⤋
God had to be created for the same reason (apparently) that "the Big Bang had to come from somewhere". Because everything has a beginning, even if we don't know what it is.
2006-08-21 14:22:47 · answer #7 · answered by drink_more_powerade 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The Earth having a beginning is far from evidence of God.
Edit: I find it odd that you believe everything must have a creator because of complexity, yet the most unimaginably complex thing does not need one. I smell a paradox.
2006-08-21 14:22:30 · answer #8 · answered by bc_munkee 5 · 5⤊ 0⤋
lets just say this in the beginning man created god.
2006-08-21 14:23:44 · answer #9 · answered by crl_hein 5 · 4⤊ 0⤋
I don't believe that he had to be created. I just don't believe we can know if there is a god at all.
2006-08-21 14:23:16 · answer #10 · answered by Girl Wonder 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋