I'm just wondering no reason to get rude please?

Question

I see a few people on here using the line " you wouldn't want your children saying I pledge allegance to allah". I don't hear muslim or other "religions" complaining about the whole God thing, a few I know I have asked and they say " to them it's a word they subsititute or remove when they say it" But if you look in the courts the ones that are trying the hardest to remove it are "atheists".
My question is why ? can't they just not say it.

I'm not trying to be rude just wondering

Answer 1

Not saying it is one thing. It would remain part of our heritage in present day, and would stand honorably. But to substitute it? Remove it? Get rid of it? Is another way of spitting in God's face after all that he's given us.

He sent his son to pay for the sin debt you and I couldn't pay ourselves on the cross. His blood was the only thing strong enough to be a substitute for the life of sin we've lived up to this day, and up unto our dying day.

To remove anything that has to do with that? Is purely an abomination.

Answer 2

The better question is why we have the line "under God" in there in the first place, and if Christians want to say it, they can add it. Why in the world would you want a Pledge of Allegiance that divides Americans?

It should be removed because it is unAmerican to have those words in the Pledge. America is supposed to be better than that, and I find it terribly sad that so many people here think it's just fine for us to aim so low.

Answer 3

I don't understand some parts of your question.
Can you edit your description to make you questions clearer?
And what should you say to your children:
1. "This is the way the world is and don't believe anyone
who says otherwise because if you do to will go to hell".
2. "Here are some guidelines that might help you in life
to make up your own mind as an individual what matters
and what does not matter. Listen to other people
and then make up your own mind".
The first way achieves peace through conformity.
The second way achieves peace by asking people to be responsible for their own lives.
Atheists, like me, hate conformity. We see conformity as being an enemy of the human spirit which likes to be individual and free. We will not shut up about about any religion that preaches any kind of conformity because conformity is the root of all evil. In paradise the only conformity is the bit about people taking full responsibility for there own lives or, at least, working hard with this in mind.

Martin Camden.

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Answer 4

That is an excellent question!!

Yes, they could just omit it. I'm Muslim but i always said God though. To me, it really didnt matter. It didnt make me think of my God. It ddint make me feel that I was pledging to Him or anyone or anything for that matter. It was just a word that basically lost its meaning among all the other words in the Pledge. Its like the word "cool". It could have thousands of meanings but none at the same time, do you know what I mean?

So yes, ppl can just not say it but they would have to say millions of words for the "right" to not say it.

Answer 5

While I, a pagan, find the issue trivial, I do question why it must be there in the first place. Originally, it was NOT included in the pledge - it was actually added in later, as another poster said.

Would it harm anyone to remove it? Honestly? No. Why should our pledge, in a country that promotes religious freedom, endorse a pledge of alleigance that requires certain groups to OMIT words from it in their heads to make it true to them? That makes no sense to me.

Answer 6

You're obviously ignorant of your own country's history, whether wilfully or through a poor education.

The pledge was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a fundamentalist baptist christian who believed in proselytizing and six day creation. The pledge, as Bellamy wrote it in 1892 was this:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

If a fundamentalist baptist christian wrote it that way, why do you object to saying it that way?

Newdow and other US atheists aren't against saying the pledge, they want it said the way it was written, which nobody is doing.

To show how inept you are, even FOX "news" can get it right, while you can't:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56320,00.html

Answer 7

For me, the pledge is to my country and my country alone, and it makes it seem as though I can do so only if I believe in god. Originally the pledge didn't include the phrase, so why couldn't people in the 50's just deal with not saying it and add "under god" in their heads?

Answer 8

Majority of vegetarians and vegans do practice dinner their nutrition. For me, there are 3 standard causes now to not eat meat: health - it truly is not organic for people to eat meat or cow’s milk. Vegans are a lot more beneficial healthful, experience more beneficial effectual and stay longer. moral – murdering animals is only not human. the way animals are raised for mass intake is scary. Ecological – seventy 5-ninety 5% of nutrition intake is wasted for animal’s personal metabolism, for this reason if we stopped farming and eating animals, we would want to have 3-19 circumstances more beneficial produce accessible to people, shall we harvest a lot less land, produce a lot less pollutants and feed ravenous people on earth. There are genuinely no nutritional reward to eating meat as each and every of the nutrition that could be contemporary in meat (alongside with a lot of pollution and risky stuff) at the prompt are not produced via the animal itself yet ought to originate from a plant source besides. yet to inform you the reality, eating a lifeless animal is only outright repulsive.

Answer 9

I think it is a valid question you have asked. I think that aethiests feel that swearing on the bible or to god in court would be like swearing to tell the truth in the name of the tooth fairy. It has no meaning (as they don't believe in god) so swearing to god has no value in compelling people to tell the truth.

Swearing allegience to something you don't beleive in is a lie and hypocrytical. Just because people don't believe in god doesn't make them immoral lying bastards :) So some people do feel it is wrong to make a promise based on what they believe to be a lie.

Answer 10

wardancer,
Really, they should not have to say anything. I don't even think that they should have to stand up for it. I have seen that those that teach their children to defy everything traditional about the USA tend to be the biggest crybabys this side of Lebanon, though.