Think of it as a Public Service.
Actually, we are not trying to disprove God. That would be silly. Why try to disprove something where there is no compelling evidence for its existence, in the first place? But... despite that... it is the moral responsibility and ethical duty of rational people to protect vulnerable minds from being contaminated by Bronze Age myths and willful ignorance. Beyond that, Christianity represents a huge threat to the well-being and survival of our country and to the whole world... and so it must be confronted.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/Clarkson_RiseOfDomionism.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HistoryOfReconstructionMovement.html
I prefer the term 'Rationalist', or 'Free Thinker', as opposed to 'atheist', or 'unbeliever', since those terms capture more of the people who think that religious beliefs are stupid and irrelevant than the term 'atheist' does. Those terms capture the main reason that people BECOME Atheists... i.e., they have learned how to THINK properly. Once someone learns how to think properly, religious belief is one of the first casualties. Religious belief... particularly the Abrahamic death cults of desert monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)... simply cannot withstand the glaring light of reason and critical thought. It just evaporates. Poof. The fact that Christians assert and promote such ridiculous beliefs is a clear indication that they CAN'T (or WON'T) think properly.
Rational people recognize that some people who visit this forum are truly, sincerely seeking answers... with an open mind (willing to honestly consider alternative possibilities), and with intellectual honesty (willingness to freely question and doubt their own presumptions). That being the case, it is the MORAL OBLIGATION of rational people to HELP them keep their minds open, and to make them aware of some of those alternative possibilities. Inevitably, those alternative possibilities DO NOT include things like a terrarium earth, talking snakes and donkeys, demons, friendly spirits, evil spirits, walking on water, multiplying loaves and fishes, people raising from the dead, stopping the sun in its tracks, parting seas, people being bodily sucked up into heaven (which, by the way, lies on the other side of the sky), world-wide floods, creating people from dust bunnies and ribs, magical trees of knowledge, gods speaking from burning bushes... and ritual cannibalism by eating god in the form of a cracker.
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"A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism” ~ Donald Morgan
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So, when someone comes along in a PUBLIC FORUM, regurgitating dogmatic slogans, and the myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions of a tribe of ignorant Bronze Age fishermen and wandering goat herders, and declaring them to represent some kind of cosmic 'TRUTH' (without the least bit of credible evidence)... well, by golly, that just HAS TO BE confronted.
All faith-based religious belief is fully deserving of all the scorn and ridicule that can be heaped upon it. It is a simple matter of people with rational minds having a moral obligation to stand in opposition to willful ignorance. It is quite necessary that this be done, if we are to have any hope that the human race will survive and evolve to meet its full potential. So, when these myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions are presented and declared to 'TRUTH', in the venue of a PUBLIC FORUM, a confrontation is inevitable.
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"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do." ~ D. Dale Gulledge
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In order to have a rational view of the universe, it is necessary that one possess the mental faculties that facilitate reason, logic and critical thought. The things that are entailed by Christian beliefs demonstrate, beyond any doubt, a lack of those capabilities. Christians do serve a useful purpose in this forum, though... as a classic 'bad example'. They obligingly provide assertions about impossible happenings and circumstances, and magical delusions, and glaring misconceptions about science and nature and the universe... which can then be rationally confronted and exposed, and their preposterousness revealed.
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"The god who is reputed to have created fleas to keep dogs from moping over their situation must also have created fundamentalists to keep rationalists from getting flabby. Let us be duly thankful for our blessings." ~ Garrett Hardin
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Again... rational people are not trying to convert Christians... we are trying to protect people FROM Christians, and the insidious mind killing delusions and willful ignorance which they seek to spread, as if they were some kind of organized, dogmatic insanity virus.
However, rational people generally DO respect everyone's right (in the privacy of their own minds) to delude themselves in whatever fashion they deem fit.
Science, logic, reason, and critical thought have long been regarded (by religious people) as the enemies of religion. Considering that those are the tools of highly intelligent people, it should not come as a huge shock to learn that intelligence (or lack of it) has some connection to religious belief. In fact, there are about 40 studies, conducted over the past 80 years or so, that reveal a statistically significant NEGATIVE CORRELATION between intelligence and religiosity. In plainer language, that means that they found that the more intelligent a person is, the LESS likely that person is to be religious... or, conversely, the LESS intelligent a person is, the MORE likely that person is to be religious.
If you think about it, those findings make a lot of sense. Intelligence tests mainly provide an indication of reasoning ability and problem solving ability... logic, reason and critical thought. These are the very qualities that see through religion, and recognize it for what it is; i.e., religion cannot survive the glaring light of reason and critical thought. This was well understood by important figures in religious history. This is why the early church destroyed all the 'tainted' (non-canonical) writings, which were in conflict with dogma... Greek philosophy, medicine, mathematics, astronomy, engineering... all the good stuff. By this means, Christianity dragged humanity directly into the Dark Ages.
Just to illustrate the point, let's see what Martin Luther, the 'father' of protestantism, had to say about 'reason' and secular knowledge:
"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God." ~ Martin Luther
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God." ~ Martin Luther
"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed." ~ Martin Luther
"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians." ~ Martin Luther
Christianity is essentially a criminal business enterprise... in fact, it is the world's longest running and most successful Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) scam. The product they are selling is the illusion of 'salvation'... and the 'pay plan' doesn't kick in until after you're dead. Meanwhile the victims (having been deceived into believing that it is their God-given duty) are out there busily recruiting MORE victims. What a racket! FORTUNATELY, it only works on those who are gullible enough, and sufficiently lacking in critical thinking skills, to fall for it. UNfortunately, THAT accounts for about 75% of the population of the USA. (There are a lot more people who DON'T know how to think properly than there are people who DO know how to think properly.) That is why there are a lot more religious people in the USA than there are 'Free-thinkers'... including Atheists. Also, Christians are generally too dense to realize that proselytizing (spreading the 'good news') is a key element of the Christian MLM MARKETING PLAN, which was instituted after Christianity lost the political power that had previously allowed them to simply torture and kill anybody who did not comply. Now, they obliviously try to just pester and annoy people to death, through persistent obnoxiousness. If you stop to think about it, you will realize that Christians are very much like the Borg, on Star Trek Next Generation: "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." I would not be surprised to learn that thoughts of Christianity provided the 'creative spark' for the Borg concept.
Interestingly, statistics on supernatural beliefs count the USA on a par with backward, developing Third World nations, rather than among modern, advanced industrial powers.
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"Selling eternal life is an unbeatable business, with no customers ever asking for their money back after the goods are not delivered." ~ Victor J. Stenger
"Businesses may come and go, but religion will last forever, for in no other endeavor does the consumer blame himself for product failure." ~ Harvard Lampoon, "Doon" (paraphrase)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
http://home.ca.inter.net/oblio/home.htm
2006-08-20 08:18:28
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answered by Anonymous
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I think most Atheist DO NOT try and disprove God... what happens is when someone strongly believes in God they tend to ask people WHY they DO NOT believe in God. Thus forcing the conversation and making the Atheist give a reason. If he doesn't believe he doesn't NEED a reason to believe in your God... because he just doesn't CARE.
There is a difference. If I say, I don't believe in Space Aliens, that doesn't mean I am trying to disprove that there may be other life in the Universe what I am saying is I don't believe in the HUMAN stories of Space Aliens visiting earth.
AND by the way... why is your belief in a God any better to believe in than the people that believe that we were planted on this planet by Aliens from a different place in the Universe.
Using Science there is more evidence to prove evolution than a GOD... yet religious people love to use all the advancements made in science such as medical and mechanical but then when it comes to evolution they say it is a load of bull?
I think there is CERTAINLY higher intelligence than us stupid humans on earth... I just don't believe it is your God.
2006-08-20 08:26:00
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answered by CTM 3
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It does seem quite futile doesn't it. Metaphysical concepts cant be proved or disproved. It would make more sense to try to convince people that God is nothing more than a theory not a fact. There is nothing that can be proved or tested regarding God. Like wise the atheist argument is moot as well there is no way to prove there isn't a God. The most intelligent thing anyone can say when it comes to these matters is "I don't know"- agnostic
2006-08-20 08:39:45
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answered by captpcb216 2
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I am going to disprove J T's response all the while answering your question.
Starting with Proof #1: If you pray in that way, in order to try to prove that God is imaginary, which is what you are recommending, it will not happen. For, as one of your scriptures says so, "I tell you the truth, if you have FAITH....." therefore, you must have absolute faith in Him, that He exists, and His son died for us.
As you said in James 5:15-16: "If you confess your sins", this means that you are turning from old ways, and to Christianity.
Proof #3: The offering plate is just a donation of 10% (more or less) of your monthly income given to God (the church) to fund for childcare, electricity, etc. When God says that, he doesn't mean "I'm going to lay money down at the church doorstep for you." He means, "I will send my people to your church to tithe." And the like.
Proof #4: Think about science, when my pastors' friend SAW a man's legs grow back in an instant, after Bill Johnson prayed over him. Can that actually happen through science?
Proof #5: IN ORDER TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE OLD TESTAMENT, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT!
Molech is a demon, therefore, in B.C. Israeli society, they didn't want any sons of demons, nor anybody disobeying His (God's) commandments.
As for the slavery part: Think about people from other parts of the world. Slavery did not just exist in Christianity! In fact, slavery still exists in other religions.
The "light" in the first part of Genesis is merely temperary, until He creates the light expanses.
I could go on and on disproving your lies, J T. I offer one final disProof, chosen at random:
Proof #27: For this, just read the book of revalation, all the way through. I'm sure your views will be changed. The Bible does not talk about an afterlife for animals and bacteria, but only for humans.
For more info, read my post in this topic:
http://www.answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AgmolfBcLPQ695i3R5sQIiMjzKIX?qid=20060819055137AAq8D16
Now, to answer the question in context:
Athiests want to disprove God because they believe that they have a reason how the universe was created entirely w/o God....although it is incorrect.
2006-08-20 08:49:20
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answered by Anonymous
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For a couple of thousand years people have been trying to prove or disprove the existence of god. Some of the greatest minds have set their brain pans to pondering how to prove or disprove god's existence. It all comes down to one simple fact you cannot prove it one way or the other. To believe in god's existence you must have faith and if you do not believe then faith is what you lack. Maybe just put it all down to people who have faith have inherited the God gene and those that don't didn't get that particular gene. :)
2006-08-20 08:25:09
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answered by Anonymous
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The points is because those who believe are trying to proove that god exists and they want to brain wash all ppl from acient times this was hapening now at least the power of church isn't so great and we can believe what we want know but still theres presure for u then u don't believe it so i think atheist are the ones that do more good that those who try to brain wash us all with holy jesus nonsense.............
the story is nonsense but the things is that it's really worth something but then it's too much believed and that's what i;m feeling from all chruches they try to make us believe even harded then they will be again most powerfull institution ,,,, that's why i don't like ppl with there believes in gods..
2006-08-20 08:23:15
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answered by Anonymous
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Great question. I think they must have some doubt as to there being a God or they wouldn't waist their time on it. On the other hand Satan has his believers working for him, and part of this is to disprove there's a God. As said many time before, Misery loves company!
2006-08-20 08:24:21
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answered by Cjs 3
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As a society, what we don't understand, we make fun of or ridicule. Why did so many athiest turn christian after 9/11? If they spend so much time trying to disprove, they must believe in GOD.
2006-08-20 08:44:10
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answered by FR33FALL79 3
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First of all, its not possible to prove a negative. you cant prove that God doesnt exist, the same way you cant proof you dont have a Ferrari.
Second, we, as atheists, are nice people and we dont want others to ruin their lives believing something that doesnt occur,and that doesnt mean disproving God.
Every logical humanbeing knows that there is no God.( ask yourself why most philosophers and scientists are atheists!!!)
2006-08-20 08:21:45
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answered by Anonymous
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God does not exist. There is no proof of god, and that is proof he does not exist. You don't need to prove something does not exis, and can not when it has not been proven. You can not disprove FSM, Santa, the tooth fairy, hippo men, etc. You can only prove it exists first. There is no god, and that is fact that proves itself. Even if you don't like it. Why do christians try to disprove FSM if they say he is not real?
2006-08-20 08:31:17
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answered by Anonymous
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The fact that they try soooooo hard to disprove him prooves that they belive he exists, therefore they arent really athiests because athiests don't believe God exists. They can't disproove him, there has been more athiests trying to disprove turn Christian, than there has been Christians turn athiest.
2006-08-20 08:22:15
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answered by creeklops 5
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