Predestination?

Question

I believe in predestination because of the fact that we can remember the past. If i can remember the things that happened in the past then most likely thier is someone in the future remembering this past. If that is the truth then the future must be set ie i cant change what i dont know is going to happen. If this is the truth and the future is truely set which i believe it is then the world is begining and ending and living all at the same moment. That would also explain ghost. if we are all sharing the same space then we should be able to see glimpes of one another. That is also how God knows who is going to heaven and whos not. This does not stop free will as some would say because we all still have choices to make. Ok, your turn, tell me how i am wrong.

I dont believe that any of you are getting the big picture. Think of yourself as a subject in a book with God as the reader. He can flip to any part in the book and see what you are up to. Now think of this book as being constantly changing all the time because of your free will. God, the reader, can still flip to any part of the book and see what your doing.(Are you still with me?) Thusly God could if he wishes look to the back of the book( your future) to see if you are worthy of heaven or not. Predestination does not rule out free will when it comes to the power of God. We all have free will but God in his infinite wisdom already knows the choices you are going to make because he has the book. Someone once said that no one gets into heaven until the end perhaps the ghost we are seeing are the departed souls of our brothers waiting on the end to get here. Think of this the next time your at the super market waiting behind someone who doesnt have correct change. God is watching.

Answer 1

fred,
You believe in predestination, foreordination? And being a little Calvinistic myself, I believe in foreordination, and predestination, and so forth. You're in the Church you've got the predestination. Now, you have to believe in predestination and foreordination. Predestination looks back to foreknowledge and foreknowledge looks to destination. Predestinated, it's not a very good word for an evangelist or a minister to use, because it kinda confuses people when you say "predestinate." And "predestination" is a hard word among a congregation of people. Now, the word "predestinate," as is used in Ephesians 1:5, predestinate there, isn't a good word. It means in speaking of predestination to the people sometimes leads them to think that God just predestinated you to push you through a little pipe, or something. As well stated, predestination looks back to foreknowledge, and foreknowledge looks on to destiny. You're saved by the grace of God, by the foreknowledge of God, by His predestination. God called Abraham by predestination, by foreknowledge. I always use the word foreknowledge, because predestination is only the foreknowledge of God. Predestination, He knew what was in you. That's the reason I certainly believe in predestination, God's foreknowledge of things. God by predestination calls who He will. As I firmly believe in the foreknowledge of God, the predestination, not that God is willing that any would perish, but all might come to repentance; but being God, He had to know, and does know the end from the beginning. We all, if we believe the Bible, we have to believe in predestination. Now, do you see predestination? The whole thing rests solemnly upon predestination. I want you to notice It's so perfect, and it'll prove predestination to you. By predestination, by foreknowledge He saw every member, put every name on the Lamb's Book of Life before the church ever began. II Corinthians the 4th chapter: But if our gospel be hid, it's hid to them that are lost: (If that don't bring in predestination, I don't know what does.) Now, then, you see here comes into perfect view, predestination. God does His Own choosing by predestination, chose the prophets for every age. But how many believe in predestination unto election and reprobation unto destruction?

Answer 2

I have tried to understand the logic behind predestination, but I simply can't get past the idea that God would know exactly what we were about to do. If the future can look on the present, thus making everything we do already planned out, then how is it possible that I have free will? My next choice was already chosen. I never made the decision -- I was programmed from the start to do what I did. So why should this life matter at all? If everything's already planned out, then why should I care what happens to me? Nothing I do can change my future.

Answer 3

Wow, so much emphasis put on one book, written by a man, but the bible has to right, it's been around and translated many times, the meaning always making a little more sense every generation. Yep, totally righto, God is watching, he knows, the path is already decided, no way to change it........

Did you know Hinduism has been around since 8000 BCE? But oops, that is all wrong because Christ set everyone straight, he showed that God was just laying low for those 8000 years, just waiting until the time was right, but now, yay! He's here! Huzzah! We wuv you Jesus, you da man.

Buddhism also teaches you to look into yourself for enlightenment, such as Hindi, one can always change their outcome based on the actions and the deeds throughout life. Concern oneself with this lifetime and seek honesty and truth instead of worrying about what we dread, death.

I suggest, I know everyone has their own beliefs and that's perfectly fine, to read as many books on all the different religions as possible. One needs a broad spectrum in order to see what religion truly is, why we fear what we don't understand, and what came about these fears.

Just my humble opinion. :P

Answer 4

I'm not sure that you are wrong. Some points are a little fuzzy. The part about everything happening at the same time and the ghost part is what is not clear to me. However I agree that God does know the choices we will make.

Answer 5

What accounts for many seemingly unexplainable things that occur?

Eccl. 9:11: “Time and unforeseen occurrence [“chance,” NE, RS] befall them all.” (Thus, not due to any foreseeing of a person’s life, but due to chance he may become a victim of unfortunate circumstances.)

Zephaniah 2:3: “Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth . . . Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.” (Would a just and loving God encourage people to do what is right, in hope of a reward, if he knew that they were foreordained not to succeed?)

Illustration: The owner of a radio can listen to the world news. But the fact that he can listen to a certain station does not mean that he does. He must first turn on the radio and then select the station. Likewise, Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability, with due regard for the free will with which he has endowed his human creation.—Compare Genesis 22:12; 18:20, 21.

Answer 6

Can you remember the past?
Is the block wearing off on you?
Yes there is predestination.
The Bible clearly states that there is.
I have said before that there is more to existence than meets the eye.

Did you exist before?
I have had thoughts along those lines.
Was I an angel?
I have a strong feeling that I was.
Did I rebel against God?
Yes I also have a strong feeling that I did.
Did God have mercy on me?
Yes.
I wound up in this school.
Each of us having a different lesson to learn.
Some of the lessons are really harsh.

Answer 7

What? What is past, is past. What is the future can be changed by difference reactions, differnet paths we walked down. Predestination is God knowing who will and will not come to Him. The Bible says that some will never turn to God.
The future has not happened yet, hence the name of it- the future. The past has already past- there is nothing one can do to change it.