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Not attacking anyone's faith only asking a question.
do most trinitarian belivers know the answer?

2006-08-19 22:56:52 · 18 answers · asked by smncoll 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

18 answers

To believe in the Trinity goes against all of the teachings of Jesus, as well as the Bible. This is because the Trinity is a man-made doctrine that was drawn up several hundred years after Jesus. In this time period different interpretations of the Bible were causing serious debates among Christians. The various interpretations were, undoubtedly, due to human perversion of the original scriptures, poor preservation, and/or shoddy translations. One of the main things being questioned was the nature of God and Jesus. Was Jesus actually God, the son of God, or just a messenger? The Council of Nicea was formed in an attempt to settle this dispute, and the Nicea Creed (the Trinitarian doctrine) was subsequently hammered out.

2006-08-19 23:53:08 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Because the Jesus Christ doesn't finished his Work .Read The Bible John 16: 5-15 The Work of the Holy Spirit will came.....
I think, In The Old Testament is about the Work of God- The Father,
in The New Testament is about the Work of God- Jesus Christ The Son
and in this times is running the Work of God - the Holy Spirit and Saint Mary.But allways is about the Will of The The Saint Trinity.
(from www.jnsr.be ):
JESUS: If I talk to you, do not say that I do not let My Father talk or that I prevent My Mother from talking. Do not ever forget that I am God, and like My Father is in Me, I am in Him. And My Mother accompanies the Holy Trinity Who does not let Her behind. No, I do not let this hand that I use to write an error. Understand Me: in these Times, I mobilize little ones and big ones within an immense chain of Love surrounding the whole world, encircling it within My Love. The Angels, spread wings, make the second row.

2006-08-20 07:47:47 · answer #2 · answered by mirna 3 · 0 1

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Act 17:29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Everything spoken of Christ Jesus and the Holy Ghost are spoken of in the most reverent of terms.

These are just a few exampled out of many in the Bible.

David also knew the importance of the Holy Spirit; He prayed this prayer after he commited adultery;

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

2006-08-20 06:08:33 · answer #3 · answered by Sky_blue 4 · 0 1

It means three gods in unity. If you step into some Christian churches you'll see the letters IHS carved into the pulpit, it stand for Isis, Horus and Seb which is an Egyptian Trinity and are represented by idols.
It isn't in the Bible it's a word that is mentioned in Catholic doctrine that I, for one don't use.

However the word Godhead is mentioned in Collosians 2 and it's explanation is in 1John5:7

Hope I helped
(Simon)

2006-08-21 02:31:30 · answer #4 · answered by joy-ann 3 · 0 0

No, it's not there. The word basically didn't exsist 2,000 years ago though the meaning of word is explained clearly enough in the Bible. Furthermore, trinitarians never claim the word is there...it is just their way of explaining the Bibles description of God in 3 persons.

2006-08-20 06:06:16 · answer #5 · answered by nightcricket 4 · 2 0

The concept of the trinity is a theological tradition. Although it was originally derived from the Bible, it's one of the things that many Christians believe simply because Christians always have.

2006-08-20 06:04:43 · answer #6 · answered by Drew 6 · 0 0

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

Throughout the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. That influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity.

Historian Will Durant observed: “Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it. . . . From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity.” And in the book Egyptian Religion, Siegfried Morenz notes: “The trinity was a major preoccupation of Egyptian theologians . . . Three gods are combined and treated as a single being, addressed in the singular. In this way the spiritual force of Egyptian religion shows a direct link with Christian theology.”

In the preface to Edward Gibbon’s History of Christianity, we read: “If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief.”

A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity “is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith.” And The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: “The origin of the Trinity is entirely pagan.”

That is why, in the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus . . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. One recalls in particular the Neo-Platonic view of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality,” which is “triadically represented.”

Many centuries before the time of Christ, there were triads, or trinities, of gods in ancient Babylonia and Assyria. The French “Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology” notes one such triad in that Mesopotamian area: “The universe was divided into three regions each of which became the domain of a god. Anu’s share was the sky. The earth was given to Enlil. Ea became the ruler of the waters. Together they constituted the triad of the Great Gods.”

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2006-08-20 10:51:36 · answer #7 · answered by Jeremy Callahan 4 · 0 0

Can you explain the Trinity?


Q: "What about the doctrine of the Trinity, the Holy Trinity?"
our A: "Trinity" is a term that is not found in the Bible but a word used to describe what is apparent about God in the Scriptures. The Bible clearly speaks of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit...and also clearly presents that there is only one God. Thus the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity.
Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration is an egg having a shell, egg yolk and egg white, but this egg illustration shows that there would be "parts" to God, which isn't the case.

God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Though not a complete list, here is some other Scripture that shows God is one, in Trinity:

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" (Deut. 6:4)

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." (Isa. 45:5)

There is no God but one. (1Cor. 8:4)

And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

"He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)

"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)

And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

[Jesus speaking to His disciples] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you." ... "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him." (John 14:16-17, 23)

2006-08-20 06:23:07 · answer #8 · answered by poorboychristian 3 · 0 1

Its referred to as a GODHEAD.

Where the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRT are as one mind.

The few verses that refer to it, is as follows:

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

You may go to these and read verses before and after to further explain what they are trying to say...(Personally I read the chapter before and after to make sure I get it all).

I wish you well..

Jesse

2006-08-20 06:07:25 · answer #9 · answered by x 7 · 0 1

because the ward trinity is to help us understand that Jesus is God in the flesh. You see God put him self into a man so he can die for all of are sins so that the belivers would have internal life with christ . Just like us we are a trinity. we have a body a spirt and a soul. God is the father God is the son God is the holy spirt in one. get it jesus is lord the lord is God. jesus christ is 100% God and God is100% man. just like a tricyicall has 3 whees but is one bike. some religius people thear are 3 Gods and that is not true. the bible saids you can not searve 2 masters.

2006-08-20 06:38:04 · answer #10 · answered by curtislocation 2 · 0 2

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